Monitors, how good is good enough, and what's your pick?

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xjf123richard
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Monitors, how good is good enough, and what's your pick?
Jan 28, 2013

I know I could bring this up for a hundred times and get different answers each time. Deep in my heart I just want to know if there are other good options on the market that I'm not aware of.

So let's keep it simple. Assuming money is not a limit but we all want to save as much as possible for other gears. So we'll get the cheapest one that is good enough for us.

I currently own a Dell U2410, around 500 price range. It's not good enough for me. The red tint is hard to get rid of even with Spyder 3's help. Colors tend to be "darkened" and the dark places in the picture has limited details.

I love MAC displays, but they are just too much expansive for a little improvement. If I want something at that price range, I'd expect something better.

So, what's your pick and is it good enough for you?

Appreciate your input.

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In reply to xjf123richard, Jan 28, 2013

Im wondering if you are running it in wide gamut mode..

This isn't recommended unless you have a special need for wide gamut.

If you run it wide gamut and send it non wide gamut content it will look dark and mushy (at least that is my experience.

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In reply to xjf123richard, Jan 28, 2013

For me U2410 was not good enough (mainly: too bright, too low res for the size). Very happy with U2711.

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In reply to xjf123richard, Jan 29, 2013

xjf123richard wrote:

I know I could bring this up for a hundred times and get different answers each time. Deep in my heart I just want to know if there are other good options on the market that I'm not aware of.

So let's keep it simple. Assuming money is not a limit but we all want to save as much as possible for other gears. So we'll get the cheapest one that is good enough for us.

I currently own a Dell U2410, around 500 price range. It's not good enough for me. The red tint is hard to get rid of even with Spyder 3's help. Colors tend to be "darkened" and the dark places in the picture has limited details.

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This red tint.... when you bring up an all white or light gray screen, is it just on the left side of the monitor?  s there a hint of green on the right?

Are you familiar with the issues of viewing sRGB embedded images on a wide gamut monitor using software that is NOT color managed? (you get over saturate colors and red, in particular, stands out)

or vice versa, what happens when you view a wide gamut embedded image on a standard sRGB gamut monitor using software that is NOT color managed? (you get a dark desaturated image)

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I love MAC displays, but they are just too much expansive for a little improvement. If I want something at that price range, I'd expect something better.

So, what's your pick and is it good enough for you?

Appreciate your input.

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If you have not heard, the Dell U2410 is End of Life and will be replaced by a new model, the U2413, within a month of two.

There are some big changes happening right now with the IPS panels and the LED back lights so it may be best not to rush into a decision and wait a few months.

The new Dell U2713H, a wide gamut version of the new standard sRGB gamut U2713HM, is an example of what we should see more of.

Otherwise, in North America, your primary brands of upscale monitor are going to be from NEC or EIZO.  Samsung has an interesting S-PLS LCD panel technology, very similar to IPS, but they have yet to match it with a wide gamut back light.

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Have you been following these two review sites?

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html

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In reply to xjf123richard, Jan 29, 2013

I have a U2410 and a Spyder3, the Spyder3 never did a good calibration, but the i1DisplayPro + Argyll+dispcalGUI did!

The U2410 is using the Adobe RGB mode + the trick to change its RGB settings by using the hidden factory menu . (warning before changing the default values, take a photo or write down the original values)

Here my profile + all the config files for dispcalGUI

Unpack all files into a directory, can use the monitor profile i1-adobe.icm or load the i1-adobe.cal into dispcalGUI by going to menu>Options>Install display device profile

My U2410 settings are:

Preset Mode = Adobe RGB + Factory Menu trick = R255 G226 B215

Brightness=10

Contrast=50

Color Settings>Gamma=PC

The dispcalGUI config is like this (Menu>Options> enable "Show advance options")



1-Try my profile

2-Buy a i1Display Pro (not the Munki as it can not calibrate the internal LUT of NEC/Eizo/Quato/Del u2413,u2713H,U3014)

3- If still not satisfied with U2410, get a U2713H or a NEC PA , Eizo SX/CG or a Quato

How to choose a monitor.

Good info about soft proofing and etc...

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In reply to NewsyL, Jan 29, 2013

NewsyL wrote:

xjf123richard wrote:

I know I could bring this up for a hundred times and get different answers each time. Deep in my heart I just want to know if there are other good options on the market that I'm not aware of.

So let's keep it simple. Assuming money is not a limit but we all want to save as much as possible for other gears. So we'll get the cheapest one that is good enough for us.

I currently own a Dell U2410, around 500 price range. It's not good enough for me. The red tint is hard to get rid of even with Spyder 3's help. Colors tend to be "darkened" and the dark places in the picture has limited details.

.

This red tint.... when you bring up an all white or light gray screen, is it just on the left side of the monitor? s there a hint of green on the right?

Are you familiar with the issues of viewing sRGB embedded images on a wide gamut monitor using software that is NOT color managed? (you get over saturate colors and red, in particular, stands out)

or vice versa, what happens when you view a wide gamut embedded image on a standard sRGB gamut monitor using software that is NOT color managed? (you get a dark desaturated image)

.

I love MAC displays, but they are just too much expansive for a little improvement. If I want something at that price range, I'd expect something better.

So, what's your pick and is it good enough for you?

Appreciate your input.

.

If you have not heard, the Dell U2410 is End of Life and will be replaced by a new model, the U2413, within a month of two.

There are some big changes happening right now with the IPS panels and the LED back lights so it may be best not to rush into a decision and wait a few months.

The new Dell U2713H, a wide gamut version of the new standard sRGB gamut U2713HM, is an example of what we should see more of.

Otherwise, in North America, your primary brands of upscale monitor are going to be from NEC or EIZO. Samsung has an interesting S-PLS LCD panel technology, very similar to IPS, but they have yet to match it with a wide gamut back light.

.

Have you been following these two review sites?

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm

http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/reviews.html

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Thanks. I'm well awared of the color managment issues. In fact I asked and learned a lot from this forum.

I've bought the monitor for more than a year now, so I guess it's too late to sit back... But thanks for the heads up, I'll wait to see what happens next

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In reply to Pictus, Jan 29, 2013

Pictus wrote:

I have a U2410 and a Spyder3, the Spyder3 never did a good calibration, but the i1DisplayPro + Argyll+dispcalGUI did!

The U2410 is using the Adobe RGB mode + the trick to change its RGB settings by using the hidden factory menu . (warning before changing the default values, take a photo or write down the original values)

Here my profile + all the config files for dispcalGUI

Unpack all files into a directory, can use the monitor profile i1-adobe.icm or load the i1-adobe.cal into dispcalGUI by going to menu>Options>Install display device profile

My U2410 settings are:

Preset Mode = Adobe RGB + Factory Menu trick = R255 G226 B215

Brightness=10

Contrast=50

Color Settings>Gamma=PC

The dispcalGUI config is like this (Menu>Options> enable "Show advance options")



1-Try my profile

2-Buy a i1Display Pro (not the Munki as it can not calibrate the internal LUT of NEC/Eizo/Quato/Del u2413,u2713H,U3014)

3- If still not satisfied with U2410, get a U2713H or a NEC PA , Eizo SX/CG or a Quato

How to choose a monitor.

Good info about soft proofing and etc...

Great insight! Thank you. I'll try this but I don't think I'll have the money to put on a i1Display in a short time.

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In reply to xjf123richard, Jan 29, 2013

Glad to help, the X-rite ColorMunki Display1 is cheaper and have the same quality, but it is slower and blocked to use third party software(excluding Argyll+dispcalGUI), so if you get a conclusion that the U2410 is not good enough, will need the i1Display Pro for the better monitors anyway...

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