Moving on from posts re selling a Fuji X camera or X-trans problems...

It's a bit tragic that some here feel they need to create fake IDs to knock the cameras and/or sensors.

What's the matter here? Is the atmosphere was getting far too positive about the X-Pro1 and X-E1 for some (more negative) posters..?

I forgot, the seemingly endless loaded "How do I process RAW?" threads from brand new members with very little posting history are "entertaining" too...

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It's sad that these people have nothing better to do. I almost feel sorry for them.

Sadly, posts entitled "I'm quite happy with my camera" or "OOC JPEGs are Fine" or even "I'm just fine shooting images with my X ---" seem to go down like a lead balloon on DPR.

Counter claims like "I've bought FF NIKON instead ...." (see reply caption) are much more palatable and eye-catching responses.

The posting of images (unless 'proving' something) is wholly verbotten too. Must preferably show PP artefacts if submitted. Can't have images that show camera works correctly ... or captures life as we know it.

No - it has to be contention or nothing I'm afraid ....

I think you need to be a tad kinder on those new to the XE1 and the RAW issues.  A good few are  genuine and not trolling.  I'm one of them -  I've been lurking here researching whether to get an XE1 and which lens, etc, etc.  If I do buy one, I'll probably be like others new to the X series in that I'd be coming from another brand.  People should do some research - sure - but amongst the months of threads on the subject there are many conflicting opinions.  And things evolve.......  What's wrong with asking forum members for the up-to-the-minute situation with RAW and the latest workarounds or SW to address them?

Rod

Rod, I guess I should say I have no problem with people who clearly have a posting history (you've made 678 posts on DPR) asking questions, but that it seems a wee bit fishy to me that so many (who often don't have much of a history at all) ask the same questions such that the topic barely leaves the front page of this forum? If some are genuine, doesn't that make it worse that people will suspect they are trolls because there clearly are some on this forum?

The only times I remember the kind of topic repetition happening on other fora (for example Sony NEX and M43s) were trolls and shills stirring the pot on points of concern to get people upset. Latest example, the GH3 VF controversy...

Agreed, and I enjoy the contention as much of the next man, but it does becomes a wee bit sad when people are creating new identities to continue their "crusades"...

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For sure - but some members don't seem to realise it though ... often launching off into defensive attacks against these 'claims'. I came back to DPR after a one day 'break' to find one such thread had filled with endlessly re-posted verbatim 'plus quote' responses (do they not know how to 'edit' these threads?) in which evidence was 'demanded' and counter-quoted.

I thought I'd logged into the m4/3rd forums by mistake ....

Heh heh....that's funny.  I sometimes get away from all the hate in this forum by slumming in the Ricoh forum.  I mentioned Fujifilm cameras in a few discussions and was attacked pretty hard as being a Fuji plant.  Hilarious, here I'm a hater of Fujifilm while over in Ricohland I'm a Fuji shill.

Does no one value honesty anymore???

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Posted this below in the wrong thread (it is getting confusing...). Wanted to say this here:

It's just a bunch of people who are either bored (probably a large fraction), trolling and enjoying the show (also a large fraction), or genuine (smaller fraction). My assessment.

Perhaps it's to counterbalance overly enthusiastic, and just as disingenuous, threads written by fanboys and shills.

Interestingly, when a thread starts with "Ditched my Nikon setup for an X-Pro 1; couldn't be happier", people get all cheery, warm, fuzzy and welcome the new 'member' with open arms.

By contrast, when someone writes "Ditched my X-Pro 1; going back to Nikon", people tend to get defensive as if they had been insulted personally. Sure, nobody wants to hear that someone had a bad experience with "their" camera. Makes some people feel insecure about their purchase.

On the other hand, when someone reports an outstanding experience, people tend to tear up, put their pink glasses on, and start grinning as they feel supported in their purchasing decision.

Both sides can lose perspective and the sense for reality quite quickly. Often, there is nothing to be learned from the overly glowing accounts and much to be learned from someone who decided that a camera isn't for them and presents cogent arguments.

Overall, I feel there are only a few threads with extreme messages. Sure they stick out like sore thumbs, but there is still a lot of useful info here, the reason why most people joined this forum, I presume.

Honesty? That all went away with chairman Mao or was it president Eisenhower?

The 'many conflicting opinions' that are apparent here are not necessarily objective.  This is DPreview, some come here to entertain themselves, peep at pixels, and prognosticate about specifications. This is what they value about photography. They may or may not make pictures. But they love to stir the pot. Some have speculated that they are bored adolescents who enjoy melodrama.

In my view, DPreview forums are a poor place for researching photo tools. Signal to noise here is poor. When it comes to raw conversion, from my tests, much of the criticism is overly negative and based primarily on pixel peeping, not print making.

-Framus

Some people can't stand it when other people are happy, It's all I can figure. Sad.

I never noticed you getting slammed at Ricoh forum

I have seen this on Fuji Talk as well.....  Some other threads had me so confused I was rethinking my desire for X20 & x100s (too maybe just x100 when prices drop).  Really bad threads a few days ago..

Point well taken. I often wonder what the (mega-)pixel neurotics are up to if they don't print large, as some of them openly admit, but then to each one his/her own. If someone thinks he or she needs a D800E to shoot people in the back and call it 'street photography' so be it. In the end that's what keeps another boat afloat, not necessarily this vessel.

Regarding recurring topics/questions (RAW & Co.) ... how about introducing sticky threads and/or FAQs. It works in other parts of the web and could give the mods something meaningful to do

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Internet Patrols: If you don't like something someone posts, why not ignore it?

Do you realize that your post complaining about negative posters is very negative? Posts/threads like this are part of the problem. For every negative post about a camera there are 3 negative posts about the person who said something negative about a camera. The "shhh" is louder than the noise.

Please let us know the empirical evidence for that proposition?

great idea re: sticky threads and faqs, but they might not work here - these things require a clearly defined "party line", which is pretty opposite to laissez-faire moderation on DPR.

yes, the signal-to-noise ratio is pretty low here (this can be said about 'net on the whole), but it's still above worthless. I've been reading this forum since xpro1 launch and it was very useful to me personally.

As for forum attention whores - well, it's a tricky question. I had to moderate an equipment-related forum on a popular website (paintball) some decade ago, and it was a fine balancing act which I often failed at. Bottom line is, trolls serve a useful function. Ban them and the whole bunch of things, some of them good, stop happening. You just have to endure the accompanying BS.