Moving on from X series

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Moving on from X series
Jan 27, 2013

After seeing the X-Pro end of era post I got to thinking and decided that it's not worth persisting with X series cams given the problems I and others have to deal with on a day to day basis. I will be visiting the store on Monday to ask for a part exchange.  I doubt any of you care but I wanted to say thank you and goodbye.

My story: I switched to X series (X-Pro 1 and the original trinity of lenses... 18, 35 and 60 to be exact) in the hope that it'd be a lightweight kit to replace my Canon SLRs.  It is lightweight, but that's about all I got in trade.  IQ is not better than my old system especially high ISO and resolution.  That is not surprising since it's a full frame vs. crop comparison and Canon own every part of the design of their sensors.  Raw processing has been a nightmare, forcing me to give up my experience with Lightroom and battle with various annoying programs.  Adobe and Fuji both failed to meet expectations there with no sign of the situation changing on either side.

But my real mistake was hoping that the X-Pro 1 could autofocus in a way I can rely on.  This is the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak.  Giving up AF speed turned out to be a mistake for me. I shoot many subjects but my bread is won shooting action up close which is an area the X series is very weak at.  Firmware updates improved the situation from unusable to tolerable for amateur and non-action work but the simple fact is that I need SLR quality focusing.

There's no one thing that would change the situation for me.  I tried to make the best of things but ultimately I made the wrong choice moving to X series.  Oh well, it's only money.

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

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XXXPro wrote:

After seeing the X-Pro end of era post I got to thinking and decided that it's not worth persisting with X series cams given the problems I and others have to deal with on a day to day basis. I will be visiting the store on Monday to ask for a part exchange. I doubt any of you care but I wanted to say thank you and goodbye.

My story: I switched to X series (X-Pro 1 and the original trinity of lenses... 18, 35 and 60 to be exact) in the hope that it'd be a lightweight kit to replace my Canon SLRs. It is lightweight, but that's about all I got in trade. IQ is not better than my old system especially high ISO and resolution. That is not surprising since it's a full frame vs. crop comparison and Canon own every part of the design of their sensors. Raw processing has been a nightmare, forcing me to give up my experience with Lightroom and battle with various annoying programs. Adobe and Fuji both failed to meet expectations there with no sign of the situation changing on either side.

But my real mistake was hoping that the X-Pro 1 could autofocus in a way I can rely on. This is the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Giving up AF speed turned out to be a mistake for me. I shoot many subjects but my bread is won shooting action up close which is an area the X series is very weak at. Firmware updates improved the situation from unusable to tolerable for amateur and non-action work but the simple fact is that I need SLR quality focusing.

There's no one thing that would change the situation for me. I tried to make the best of things but ultimately I made the wrong choice moving to X series. Oh well, it's only money.

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

You are a professional shooting close action for money and you thought the x-pro1 was the answer?

If I were you I would try a Leica.

In 5 minutes of Internet research you'd have known the xpro-1 is not designed with that in mind.

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In reply to XXXPro, Jan 27, 2013

I understand, I am in the same situation. For exactly the same reasons. But I blame myself, because I should have taken more time to read reviews etc. A man gets wiser by spending money (throw it away).

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In reply to XXXPro, Jan 27, 2013

Something tells me that most of threads like this are... not exactly genuine.

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XXXPro wrote:

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

And thanks for all the fish!

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Outbacker wrote:

XXXPro wrote:

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

And thanks for all the fish!

Why don't you try the new Pentax K5IIs. Thats what the old folks call "a real shooter"! Even Jim Radcliffe has one now!

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abelits wrote:

Something tells me that most of threads like this are... not exactly genuine.

+1

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hope you don't have to change your name as well:-D not much pro left if you could not research the fact that it is not a action shooting camera.

Cheers and Aufwiedersehen

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In reply to XXXPro, Jan 27, 2013

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

That's what LOVE is all about? See your own thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50371158

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In reply to XXXPro, Jan 27, 2013

XXXPro wrote:

After seeing the X-Pro end of era post I got to thinking and decided that it's not worth persisting with X series cams given the problems I and others have to deal with on a day to day basis. I will be visiting the store on Monday to ask for a part exchange. I doubt any of you care but I wanted to say thank you and goodbye.

My story: I switched to X series (X-Pro 1 and the original trinity of lenses... 18, 35 and 60 to be exact) in the hope that it'd be a lightweight kit to replace my Canon SLRs. It is lightweight, but that's about all I got in trade. IQ is not better than my old system especially high ISO and resolution. That is not surprising since it's a full frame vs. crop comparison and Canon own every part of the design of their sensors. Raw processing has been a nightmare, forcing me to give up my experience with Lightroom and battle with various annoying programs. Adobe and Fuji both failed to meet expectations there with no sign of the situation changing on either side.

But my real mistake was hoping that the X-Pro 1 could autofocus in a way I can rely on. This is the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Giving up AF speed turned out to be a mistake for me. I shoot many subjects but my bread is won shooting action up close which is an area the X series is very weak at. Firmware updates improved the situation from unusable to tolerable for amateur and non-action work but the simple fact is that I need SLR quality focusing.

There's no one thing that would change the situation for me. I tried to make the best of things but ultimately I made the wrong choice moving to X series. Oh well, it's only money.

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

I'm probably being cynical here, after all your post is long and detailed and you have made previous posts on DPR, but I have to admit that part of me says this doesn't smell right. Three posts, two of which are 2 months ago saying "this is great" and now you are leaving? Don't take this the wrong way, but It almost looks like you are a false identity cooked up my the forum trolls. And to think that when I came here I thought the M43s forum could be dysfunctional...

On the assumption I'm wrong and you are genuine, if you want to go mirrorless but want similar/equivalent focusing to DSLRs you have to go to M43s at the minute. That means you trade absolute top end of image quality (versus the X-Pro1/X-E1) for focus speed. That said, both the E-M5 and GH3 are great cameras and the big plus of m43s is the lenses are smaller.

Personally I own both systems (M43s and Fuji X) and ditched my FF DSLR a while back. I do still have an M9, but the X-Pro1 is slowly replacing it.

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XXXPro wrote:

I wanted to say thank you and goodbye

Bye bye!

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

You're still here? Bye bye!

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bigpigbig wrote:

XXXPro wrote:

After seeing the X-Pro end of era post I got to thinking and decided that it's not worth persisting with X series cams given the problems I and others have to deal with on a day to day basis. I will be visiting the store on Monday to ask for a part exchange. I doubt any of you care but I wanted to say thank you and goodbye.

My story: I switched to X series (X-Pro 1 and the original trinity of lenses... 18, 35 and 60 to be exact) in the hope that it'd be a lightweight kit to replace my Canon SLRs. It is lightweight, but that's about all I got in trade. IQ is not better than my old system especially high ISO and resolution. That is not surprising since it's a full frame vs. crop comparison and Canon own every part of the design of their sensors. Raw processing has been a nightmare, forcing me to give up my experience with Lightroom and battle with various annoying programs. Adobe and Fuji both failed to meet expectations there with no sign of the situation changing on either side.

But my real mistake was hoping that the X-Pro 1 could autofocus in a way I can rely on. This is the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Giving up AF speed turned out to be a mistake for me. I shoot many subjects but my bread is won shooting action up close which is an area the X series is very weak at. Firmware updates improved the situation from unusable to tolerable for amateur and non-action work but the simple fact is that I need SLR quality focusing.

There's no one thing that would change the situation for me. I tried to make the best of things but ultimately I made the wrong choice moving to X series. Oh well, it's only money.

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

You are a professional shooting close action for money and you thought the x-pro1 was the answer?

If I were you I would try a Leica.

In 5 minutes of Internet research you'd have known the xpro-1 is not designed with that in mind.

Indeed.....I have never met a true pro that would have made a decision like this on equipment without knowing for sure that it would work for them in their trade.  I smell BS, and lots of it.

When you create your next screen name with which to troll, please spare us the suicide note.

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David V wrote:

bigpigbig wrote:

XXXPro wrote:

After seeing the X-Pro end of era post I got to thinking and decided that it's not worth persisting with X series cams given the problems I and others have to deal with on a day to day basis. I will be visiting the store on Monday to ask for a part exchange. I doubt any of you care but I wanted to say thank you and goodbye.

My story: I switched to X series (X-Pro 1 and the original trinity of lenses... 18, 35 and 60 to be exact) in the hope that it'd be a lightweight kit to replace my Canon SLRs. It is lightweight, but that's about all I got in trade. IQ is not better than my old system especially high ISO and resolution. That is not surprising since it's a full frame vs. crop comparison and Canon own every part of the design of their sensors. Raw processing has been a nightmare, forcing me to give up my experience with Lightroom and battle with various annoying programs. Adobe and Fuji both failed to meet expectations there with no sign of the situation changing on either side.

But my real mistake was hoping that the X-Pro 1 could autofocus in a way I can rely on. This is the straw that broke the camel's back so to speak. Giving up AF speed turned out to be a mistake for me. I shoot many subjects but my bread is won shooting action up close which is an area the X series is very weak at. Firmware updates improved the situation from unusable to tolerable for amateur and non-action work but the simple fact is that I need SLR quality focusing.

There's no one thing that would change the situation for me. I tried to make the best of things but ultimately I made the wrong choice moving to X series. Oh well, it's only money.

Thanks for everything and goodbye all.

You are a professional shooting close action for money and you thought the x-pro1 was the answer?

If I were you I would try a Leica.

In 5 minutes of Internet research you'd have known the xpro-1 is not designed with that in mind.

Indeed.....I have never met a true pro that would have made a decision like this on equipment without knowing for sure that it would work for them in their trade. I smell BS, and lots of it.

When you create your next screen name with which to troll, please spare us the suicide note.

Close up action. XXXPro. = Porn?

Have you considered that the lack of contrast on naked flesh might be causing the AF issue?

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In reply to abelits, Jan 27, 2013

abelits wrote:

Something tells me that most of threads like this are... not exactly genuine.

Right, because there is no sadness in the world, no poor decisions, no mistakes.

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In reply to XXXPro, Jan 27, 2013

It's just a bunch of people who are either bored (probably a large fraction), trolling and enjoying the show (also a large fraction), or genuine (smaller fraction). My assessment.

Perhaps it's to counterbalance overly enthusiastic, and just as disingenuous, threads written by fanboys and shills.

Interestingly, when a thread starts with "Ditched my Nikon setup for an X-Pro 1; couldn't be happier", people get all cheery, warm, fuzzy and welcome the new 'member' with open arms.

By contrast, when someone writes "Ditched my X-Pro 1; going back to Nikon", people tend to get defensive as if they had been insulted personally. Sure, nobody wants to hear that someone had a bad experience with "their" camera. Makes some people feel insecure about their purchase.

On the other hand, when someone reports an outstanding experience, people tend to tear up, put their pink glasses on, and start grinning as they feel supported in their purchasing decision.

Both sides can lose perspective and the sense for reality quite quickly. Often, there is nothing to be learned from the overly glowing accounts and much to be learned from someone who decided that a camera isn't for them and presents cogent arguments.

Overall, I feel there are only a few threads with extreme messages. Sure they stick out like sore thumbs, but there is still a lot of useful info here, the reason why most people joined this forum, I presume.

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So very well said.

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nixda wrote:

It's just a bunch of people who are either bored (probably a large fraction), trolling and enjoying the show (also a large fraction), or genuine (smaller fraction). My assessment.

Perhaps it's to counterbalance overly enthusiastic, and just as disingenuous, threads written by fanboys and shills.

Interestingly, when a thread starts with "Ditched my Nikon setup for an X-Pro 1; couldn't be happier", people get all cheery, warm, fuzzy and welcome the new 'member' with open arms.

If someone claiming to be a pro shooting close up action said this I would call them on it. No. No. No.

By contrast, when someone writes "Ditched my X-Pro 1; going back to Nikon", people tend to get defensive as if they had been insulted personally. Sure, nobody wants to hear that someone had a bad experience with "their" camera. Makes some people feel insecure about their purchase.

This depends. I have both a d800e and XE1 and love them both. I can completely understand that someone could make the mistake of switching and then being disappointed. But some of the threads are just plain obviously disingenuous.

On the other hand, when someone reports an outstanding experience, people tend to tear up, put their pink glasses on, and start grinning as they feel supported in their purchasing decision.

A bit OTT. But as you said, there is a team mentality that makes some folks feel better about spending big on a new camera / system. It is a place for Fuji users primarily.

Both sides can lose perspective and the sense for reality quite quickly. Often, there is nothing to be learned from the overly glowing accounts and much to be learned from someone who decided that a camera isn't for them and presents cogent arguments.

I hope you are not suggesting that there is something to be learned from the OP.

Overall, I feel there are only a few threads with extreme messages. Sure they stick out like sore thumbs, but there is still a lot of useful info here, the reason why most people joined this forum, I presume.

I jump into the bored category. Not sure why else I'd be writing this.

I think you should have posted this in a new or different thread. I agree with you.

But, this one is ridiculous.

"I am a pro shooting close up action for a money and bought the X series and three expensive primes and realize that the AF is to slow so I am selling them" - Seriously?

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bigpigbig wrote:

nixda wrote:

It's just a bunch of people who are either bored (probably a large fraction), trolling and enjoying the show (also a large fraction), or genuine (smaller fraction). My assessment.

Perhaps it's to counterbalance overly enthusiastic, and just as disingenuous, threads written by fanboys and shills.

Interestingly, when a thread starts with "Ditched my Nikon setup for an X-Pro 1; couldn't be happier", people get all cheery, warm, fuzzy and welcome the new 'member' with open arms.

If someone claiming to be a pro shooting close up action said this I would call them on it. No. No. No.

By contrast, when someone writes "Ditched my X-Pro 1; going back to Nikon", people tend to get defensive as if they had been insulted personally. Sure, nobody wants to hear that someone had a bad experience with "their" camera. Makes some people feel insecure about their purchase.

This depends. I have both a d800e and XE1 and love them both. I can completely understand that someone could make the mistake of switching and then being disappointed. But some of the threads are just plain obviously disingenuous.

On the other hand, when someone reports an outstanding experience, people tend to tear up, put their pink glasses on, and start grinning as they feel supported in their purchasing decision.

A bit OTT. But as you said, there is a team mentality that makes some folks feel better about spending big on a new camera / system. It is a place for Fuji users primarily.

Both sides can lose perspective and the sense for reality quite quickly. Often, there is nothing to be learned from the overly glowing accounts and much to be learned from someone who decided that a camera isn't for them and presents cogent arguments.

I hope you are not suggesting that there is something to be learned from the OP.

Overall, I feel there are only a few threads with extreme messages. Sure they stick out like sore thumbs, but there is still a lot of useful info here, the reason why most people joined this forum, I presume.

I jump into the bored category. Not sure why else I'd be writing this.

I think you should have posted this in a new or different thread. I agree with you.

But, this one is ridiculous.

"I am a pro shooting close up action for a money and bought the X series and three expensive primes and realize that the AF is to slow so I am selling them" - Seriously?

Oops, I actually meant to put my post here: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50745131

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In reply to XXXPro, Jan 27, 2013

XXXPro wrote:

my bread is won shooting action up close which is an area the X series is very weak at. Firmware updates improved the situation from unusable to tolerable for amateur and non-action work but the simple fact is that I need SLR quality focusing.

Oh come on.

Your post history shows you are not a pro and you've owned the xpro for only 2 months.

If you managed to completely ignore every review ever written on the internet or print media and somehow existed in a vacuum where rangefinder style cameras were never seen before....you just might be justified in assuming the following:

-better than a dslr for "shooting action up close" where your "bread is won"-lol

-xtrans sensor was readily embraced by raw developers

-insert other obvious but totally unresearched criticism here

Look, the xpro isn't a perfect camera. There isn't one. That's the nature of the beast and the reason there are so many cameras available for sale. Pick one that matches your needs/desires/budget and go have fun.

Pretending to be something you're not to an anonymous bunch on an internet forum makes about as much sense as whining about something with which you clearly haven't the sense to understand (your camera).

In other words, grow up.

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Why should I care what you decide?

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