Sony also admits that 16mm F2.8 is a total failure

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Sony also admits that 16mm F2.8 is a total failure
Jan 23, 2013

That's the reason why they release another wide prime - with a 20mm though..

hopefully the optics is on par with Sigma 19mm

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jbwong wrote:

That's the reason why they release another wide prime - with a 20mm though..

hopefully the optics is on par with Sigma 19mm

Even if it would be, (which I seriously doubt, as it will need bunch of SW corrections) Sigma 19 is not a big and certainly not a heavy lens. 2 times higher price (recently over 3 times if bought with Sigma 30), for slightly smaller size?

Still, there will be lot of users who would defend it, because it's pancake, so your jacket pocket can be a ted smaller 

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The only Failure was that they were inable to make them consistently so a lot of dud and mediocre samples are out there (everyone`s used to that in canon, nikon, Sigma, Tamron and Pentax of course) - a good one is superb and very usable wideopen even at the edges ........ Sony has changed, they used to represent QUALITY and Quality Control, "Its a Sony" used to mean something, but that went out the window after the 80s ..

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AdamT wrote:

The only Failure was that they were inable to make them consistently so a lot of dud and mediocre samples are out there - a good one is superb and very usable wideopen even at the edges ....

Sony's main issue is lens quality control. My advice - stop releasing newer versions of essentially the same camera and devote time/resources to getting lens quality under control.

Relying on Zeiss to do the job (and share in the kudos) is not the answer.

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Photozopia wrote:

AdamT wrote:

The only Failure was that they were inable to make them consistently so a lot of dud and mediocre samples are out there - a good one is superb and very usable wideopen even at the edges ....

Sony's main issue is lens quality control. My advice - stop releasing newer versions of essentially the same camera and devote time/resources to getting lens quality under control.

Relying on Zeiss to do the job (and share in the kudos) is not the answer.

On the other hand, if they keep recycling 18-200 version, they might shortly enter the Guinness Book Of Records. Maybe that's what Sony PR is trying to achieve...

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verybiglebowski wrote:

Photozopia wrote:

AdamT wrote:

The only Failure was that they were inable to make them consistently so a lot of dud and mediocre samples are out there - a good one is superb and very usable wideopen even at the edges ....

Sony's main issue is lens quality control. My advice - stop releasing newer versions of essentially the same camera and devote time/resources to getting lens quality under control.

Relying on Zeiss to do the job (and share in the kudos) is not the answer.

On the other hand, if they keep recycling 18-200 version, they might shortly enter the Guinness Book Of Records. Maybe that's what Sony PR is trying to achieve...

true...18-200mm is just ridiculous

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Just taken delivery of 18-55mm (eBay) and it already looks as if it beats the pants off my 16mm.

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jbwong wrote:

That's the reason why they release another wide prime - with a 20mm though..

hopefully the optics is on par with Sigma 19mm

A few of us like it....

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3368825

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So where does Sony  admit that the 16mm F2.8 is a total failure?

Since it was designed for the point n shoot upgraders, and not picky as hell enthusiasts, the lens was ok, not great, and IMO their whole line is merely ok to good with a few greats, and nothing stellar or amazing.

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So where does Sony admit that the 16mm F2.8 is a total failure?

They haven't.

We ask for more lenses, Sony make them, and yet people still find something to complain about.

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So, how well are the UWA and Fisheye adapters going to work on the SEL20F28?

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So, how well are the UWA and Fisheye adapters going to work on the SEL20F28?

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I hope the lens was designed with those adaptors in mind. I love the extra flexability of having the UWA in my bag.

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Lightshow wrote:

So where does Sony admit that the 16mm F2.8 is a total failure?

+1

Where is the official Sony press release that says this?

Take a look at this thread: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50679132

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Please show me the Sony quote that says 16mm f2.8 is total failure.

The 16mm f2.8 is a neat little lens and I have used it a lot, especially with the wide angle adapter attached.

My general manager has used that combo on many of his business trips and has posted hundreds if not thousands of images using that combo.

I suggest the original poster watch statements like this as he is stating fact not opinion, and Sony may want to have a word with him if he keeps it up.

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That's the reason why they release another wide prime - with a 20mm though..

hopefully the optics is on par with Sigma 19mm

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The 18-200mm may be ridiculous to some people, but video shooters will probably be happy with it.  It always amazes me that if someone finds something isn't for them, they assume that it isn't for anyone else either.

As for the 16mm, it actually works fairly well, especially if you have a good copy.  Sony's quality control hopefully has improved.

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the 18-200 very handy as a walkabout lens when you want maximum flexibility without bringing a camera bag.

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Yep - TOTAL failure.  As soon as Sony announced the 20mm pancake, all the photos I took with the 16mm lens just went black.  All of them!  I had some pretty decent shots with it, but apparently it is indeed a total failure, so all of the shots I took just ceased to exist, or turned to complete failure.  Even the ones I post processed or saved multiple copies of...gone!  Large prints I made are now just black paper in frames...failure!

I hate when that happens.

I remember I once had a camera I took pretty good photos with for months, then a review came out and said the camera wasn't very good and a lot of posters peppered the boards with criticism, and all the sudden, all the photos I had taken with it turned to junk.  Tilted horizons, horrible noise, JPG artifacts suddenly filled in everywhere, colors went askew.  Someone needs to stop this from happening!  Every time a review comes along that is less than perfect, or a poster starts a thread about how terrible a camera or lens is, all the great photos taken with that device are instantly destroyed or rendered useless and horrible.  This is a travesty!

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pcake wrote:

the 18-200 very handy as a walkabout lens when you want maximum flexibility without bringing a camera bag.

Sure, but you don't need 8 of them.  Or however many versions they have made, 4?

I suppose the new one is mainly for video, which a lot of the people around here won't use so they complain about it.

All I hope is the price of the new 20mm f/2.8 means increased quality control, and not just increased profit.

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Yep - TOTAL failure. As soon as Sony announced the 20mm pancake, all the photos I took with the 16mm lens just went black. All of them! I had some pretty decent shots with it, but apparently it is indeed a total failure, so all of the shots I took just ceased to exist, or turned to complete failure. Even the ones I post processed or saved multiple copies of...gone! Large prints I made are now just black paper in frames...failure!

I hate when that happens.

I remember I once had a camera I took pretty good photos with for months, then a review came out and said the camera wasn't very good and a lot of posters peppered the boards with criticism, and all the sudden, all the photos I had taken with it turned to junk. Tilted horizons, horrible noise, JPG artifacts suddenly filled in everywhere, colors went askew. Someone needs to stop this from happening! Every time a review comes along that is less than perfect, or a poster starts a thread about how terrible a camera or lens is, all the great photos taken with that device are instantly destroyed or rendered useless and horrible. This is a travesty!

That has got to be the most refreshing, bucket of cold water in the case, wake-up call comment ever.

My hat, sir, is off to you!

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