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Jan 21, 2013

"Olympus has issued a press release confirming JK Imaging and four other companies have formally signed-up to the Micro Four Thirds standard. JK Imaging announced last week that it would be offering MFT cameras under the Kodak brand. Australian company Blackmagic Design, which already offers a movie camera with a passive Micro Four Thirds mount and is rumored to be working on a fully compliant version, also joins. The other three signatories are less consumer-facing.

Like Astrodesign, announced as joining in January 2012, Photron, ViewPlus and Sys-Vistek aren't looking to make cameras for the general public. Photron builds high-speed cameras for scientific and industrial research, while Sys-Vistek makes cameras used for the machine vision field (systems to provide visual input to machine and computer systems - such as automatically visually monitoring industrial processes). Finally, ViewPlus creates products that integrate sophisticated cameras and processing techniques to provide live feeds of two and three dimensional video."


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I think it is and hope that will be good, but I think it will not affect the good way Olympus and Panasonic make the cameras and lenses. The one I am a bit curious to see what they will do is JK Imaging, branded Kodak.

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I think it is and hope that will be good, but I think it will not affect the good way Olympus and Panasonic make the cameras and lenses. The one I am a bit curious to see what they will do is JK Imaging, branded Kodak.

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Yes, I also want to see what kind of cameras and lenses are going to appear with the Kodak name.

But maybe the others that have joined also can show some good and useful products.

I think JK Imaging can be a company created by Olympus to buy the Kodak name and use it to sell more cameras and lenses.


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Sort of good news. What we need  is a much buzzier name,  not micro 4/3s.

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This really ups the ante in the competition for lenses. Personally I haven't sunk a lot of money into lenses yet at some point I know that's the next smartest upgrade for my gear. So the question becomes whether to stick with adapted lenses such as manual focus Nikon F and Leica M mounts that can be used on just about any camera body including the higher end SonyCaNikon? Or switch to purpose-built M43 lenses? Already many of the lenses available for M43 can compete optically with some of the pro lenses and are often quite a bit cheaper (because of marketing considerations and because there's less glass.) Right now I only have two M43 lenses - the kit lens and the 40-150 zoom. I prefer primes but have not spent any money on autofocus primes. Yet.

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Trevor Carpenter wrote:

Sort of good news. What we need is a much buzzier name, not micro 4/3s.

True, a name that sounds good and simple, like Google

But Micro 4/3 is not a bad name. I think they are not going to modify that.

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I've heard the system called EVIL. Snazzy enough? (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens).

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LincolnB wrote:

This really ups the ante in the competition for lenses. Personally I haven't sunk a lot of money into lenses yet at some point I know that's the next smartest upgrade for my gear. So the question becomes whether to stick with adapted lenses such as manual focus Nikon F and Leica M mounts that can be used on just about any camera body including the higher end SonyCaNikon? Or switch to purpose-built M43 lenses? Already many of the lenses available for M43 can compete optically with some of the pro lenses and are often quite a bit cheaper (because of marketing considerations and because there's less glass.) Right now I only have two M43 lenses - the kit lens and the 40-150 zoom. I prefer primes but have not spent any money on autofocus primes. Yet.

Good point of view. Let's see who of the companies that have joined can make good micro 4/3 lenses at a good price. and with good IQ. But it will be very difficult to compete with Panasonic and Olympus.


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I've heard the system called EVIL. Snazzy enough? (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens).

Maggie

Enough yes. I have heard and read people calling that to Micro 4/3, but that name can also be applied to the other mirrorless cameras. It will be difficult to change now.

Panasonic Lumix call not on their site DSLM cameras (Digital Single Lens Mirrorless)


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I've heard the system called EVIL. Snazzy enough? (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens).

Not specific to m43 or µ4/3. There's still a lack of consensus about what to call all the mirrorless cameras. EVIL? MILC (mirrorless interchangable lens camera), ILC, CSC (compact system camera), ...

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Trevor Carpenter wrote:

Sort of good news. What we need is a much buzzier name, not micro 4/3s.

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We have a good logo. After posting my reply I imagined a conversation like this:

  • What camera you have now ? 
  • I bought a Nex 7, it is very good and it's a Sony. 
  • Ah, fine. 

But the name has to be shared by Olympus and Panasonic Lumix. Not easy.


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Oh, I think there is enough room for competition.

Most Olympus and Panasonic lenses are quite expensive and Sigma hasn't developed any specific m43 lenses up to now, the 19mm and 30mm lenses are better suited for the NEX.

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Oh, I think there is enough room for competition.

Most Olympus and Panasonic lenses are quite expensive and Sigma hasn't developed any specific m43 lenses up to now, the 19mm and 30mm lenses are better suited for the NEX.

There is room yes, but I don't know if these companies that have joined have the capability to mass produce cameras lenses or accessories to have competitive prices and maintain good quality.

I think the bigger of those is JK Imaging.


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Aleo Veuliah wrote:

"Olympus has issued a press release confirming JK Imaging and four other companies have formally signed-up to the Micro Four Thirds standard. JK Imaging announced last week that it would be offering MFT cameras under the Kodak brand. Australian company Blackmagic Design, which already offers a movie camera with a passive Micro Four Thirds mount and is rumored to be working on a fully compliant version, also joins. The other three signatories are less consumer-facing.

Like Astrodesign, announced as joining in January 2012, Photron, ViewPlus and Sys-Vistek aren't looking to make cameras for the general public. Photron builds high-speed cameras for scientific and industrial research, while Sys-Vistek makes cameras used for the machine vision field (systems to provide visual input to machine and computer systems - such as automatically visually monitoring industrial processes). Finally, ViewPlus creates products that integrate sophisticated cameras and processing techniques to provide live feeds of two and three dimensional video."


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I think each manufacture needs to find its identity and how they want to be represented.

Are you a doing a consumer like up at a $300 price point or high end professional.

Some part of the technology will separate one from another so you can decided why one manufactures body and or lens system is better.

I actually like a closed system where the lens mount is the lens mount. It is clearer to see how the manufacture develops product. Canon & Nikon have like lenses focal length, f-stop etc.

Is one manufacture using one as a crutch.  MFT's may turn into what P&S are lots of cameras.

For example Panasonic has the 12-35 2.8 will Olympus do a 10-40 2.8 and what will make it different.  I don't know if this will make things more confusing or better and what will compel you to buy one over other if things are close.

Canon & Nikon do this with camera bodies. You usually have a like price point body between the two manufactures.

Will Micro Four Thirds turn into a DSLR body like the Nikon D90 but mirror less with smaller lenses and obviously a smaller body and less weight.  That would be really interesting if you could modify a Canon or Nikon body to mimic the Panasonic GH-3 form with a MFT's lens format.

Just saying an identity is what each manufacture should develop so its clear who the audience is.

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Aleo Veuliah wrote:

"Olympus has issued a press release confirming JK Imaging and four other companies have formally signed-up to the Micro Four Thirds standard. JK Imaging announced last week that it would be offering MFT cameras under the Kodak brand. Australian company Blackmagic Design, which already offers a movie camera with a passive Micro Four Thirds mount and is rumored to be working on a fully compliant version, also joins. The other three signatories are less consumer-facing.

Like Astrodesign, announced as joining in January 2012, Photron, ViewPlus and Sys-Vistek aren't looking to make cameras for the general public. Photron builds high-speed cameras for scientific and industrial research, while Sys-Vistek makes cameras used for the machine vision field (systems to provide visual input to machine and computer systems - such as automatically visually monitoring industrial processes). Finally, ViewPlus creates products that integrate sophisticated cameras and processing techniques to provide live feeds of two and three dimensional video."


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JK Imaging, Blackmagic Design and others join Micro Four Thirds


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I think each manufacture needs to find its identity and how they want to be represented.

Are you a doing a consumer like up at a $300 price point or high end professional.

Some part of the technology will separate one from another so you can decided why one manufactures body and or lens system is better.

I actually like a closed system where the lens mount is the lens mount. It is clearer to see how the manufacture develops product. Canon & Nikon have like lenses focal length, f-stop etc.

Is one manufacture using one as a crutch. MFT's may turn into what P&S are lots of cameras.

For example Panasonic has the 12-35 2.8 will Olympus do a 10-40 2.8 and what will make it different. I don't know if this will make things more confusing or better and what will compel you to buy one over other if things are close.

Canon & Nikon do this with camera bodies. You usually have a like price point body between the two manufactures.

Will Micro Four Thirds turn into a DSLR body like the Nikon D90 but mirror less with smaller lenses and obviously a smaller body and less weight. That would be really interesting if you could modify a Canon or Nikon body to mimic the Panasonic GH-3 form with a MFT's lens format.

Just saying an identity is what each manufacture should develop so its clear who the audience is.

Nice view Ryan.


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Aleo Veuliah wrote:

X_Holger wrote:

Oh, I think there is enough room for competition.

Most Olympus and Panasonic lenses are quite expensive and Sigma hasn't developed any specific m43 lenses up to now, the 19mm and 30mm lenses are better suited for the NEX.

There is room yes, but I don't know if these companies that have joined have the capability to mass produce cameras lenses or accessories to have competitive prices and maintain good quality.

I think the bigger of those is JK Imaging.

I think Blackmagic is already a name in the video business.The psychological impact will be huge. Like a user above I was v. wary if buying native AF lenses after the 4/3 disaster, but the latest news - metabones adapter and 4/3 adapter, in addition to those companies - are confidence building.

Perhaps even more significant is that Sony is delivering the sensors, in addition to Panny, so that we can be sure of having sensors up to scratch.

This sort of convergence in the camera world happens v. rarely and lasts a long time. Think of the Leica mount and of the M42 mount in the past, they are still the most universal in the legacy world. With the Metabones adapter we will have also cheap and fast UWAs which were so far the only limit of the 2x crop factor.

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I think that this proliferation of MFT equipment is very good. Its main potential (as it was said above) is in the probable offer to the photographer of multiple lenses, in multiple FL, as more camera makes can use them.

This also means that the Olympus strategy, of IBIS, is a clear winner, or perhaps better, has a lot of potential, because all lenses will be usable in Olympus bodies with IS

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Aleo Veuliah wrote:

"Olympus has issued a press release confirming JK Imaging and four other companies have formally signed-up to the Micro Four Thirds standard. JK Imaging announced last week that it would be offering MFT cameras under the Kodak brand. Australian company Blackmagic Design, which already offers a movie camera with a passive Micro Four Thirds mount and is rumored to be working on a fully compliant version, also joins. The other three signatories are less consumer-facing.

Like Astrodesign, announced as joining in January 2012, Photron, ViewPlus and Sys-Vistek aren't looking to make cameras for the general public. Photron builds high-speed cameras for scientific and industrial research, while Sys-Vistek makes cameras used for the machine vision field (systems to provide visual input to machine and computer systems - such as automatically visually monitoring industrial processes). Finally, ViewPlus creates products that integrate sophisticated cameras and processing techniques to provide live feeds of two and three dimensional video."


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What I was most struck by was the fact only Oly made the announcement, not Panasonic. So were these deals done by way of Oly alone and no hand by Panasonic? It was interesting reading the announcement with only Panny getting noted as being a part of the m4/3 consortium similar to how it was during the 4/3 days.

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maggiemole wrote:

I've heard the system called EVIL. Snazzy enough? (Electronic Viewfinder Interchangeable Lens).

Maggie

I though that was already be used as "Electronic View Interchangeable Lens" camera.

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LincolnB wrote:

This really ups the ante in the competition for lenses. Personally I haven't sunk a lot of money into lenses yet at some point I know that's the next smartest upgrade for my gear. So the question becomes whether to stick with adapted lenses such as manual focus Nikon F and Leica M mounts that can be used on just about any camera body including the higher end SonyCaNikon? Or switch to purpose-built M43 lenses? Already many of the lenses available for M43 can compete optically with some of the pro lenses and are often quite a bit cheaper (because of marketing considerations and because there's less glass.) Right now I only have two M43 lenses - the kit lens and the 40-150 zoom. I prefer primes but have not spent any money on autofocus primes. Yet.

Good point of view. Let's see who of the companies that have joined can make good micro 4/3 lenses at a good price. and with good IQ. But it will be very difficult to compete with Panasonic and Olympus.

Competition is good; it just makes the decision-making process more difficult!

Just look at the situation with some fast lenses. Rokinon has been selling their 35mm f/1.4 lens for about $550, Voigtlander has their 40mm f/2 for $490. Both are easily adapted to M43 with a $25 Nikon-to-M43 adapter. Now SLR Magic comes out with a M43 native 35mm 1.4 for $280. But you can't use the SLR Magic on a Nikon/Nex/Canon like the Rokinon and Voigtlander. Resale value and flexibility are less. Or how about Olympus's 75mm 1.8 vs. Rokinon's 85mm 1.4? $900 and autofocus vs. $300 and manual focus.

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