Replacement for D300??

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deednets
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Replacement for D300??
Jan 20, 2013

Found a camera that I like! Have been waiting here, like so many people for a replacement for the D300s. Borrowed the odd camera, body, lenses etc and always felt like the D300s is quite good, nothing compelling enough to lure me away as yet.

Then I discovered this one and will possibly stay with it. here are a few images. I was just trying her out ....

Viaduct Harbour, Auckland

Crop from left hand side:

6400 ASA

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Hot Rod Fair, Kumeu, New Zealand yesterday

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Bokeh

So for now, I find this one the most promising of the lot. Have tried 7D, 5D MKII, D800 ... but this one is just plain fun! Per pixel sharpness is excellent and low light, down to 6400 absolutely usable!

Thanks for looking!

Deed, Auckland, New Zealand

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Sure, but wanted to avoid first bias ... Any guesses??

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Very nice! I think you might actually enjoy this one!!

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Very excellent images. I just ordered a D300 as it should suit me needs for now and a while. Aside from that, the price on used D300 is superb value for money, a year and a half ago Nikopn would not budge on the new prices and used prices for a good one were upwards of 800 and D200's were above 500.

Now one can get a good D300 for just over the same 500 or rated very good for just around or barely over 600.

I too like some of the mirrorless offerings (NEX 7 seems awesome), but the D300 has what I personally need.

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Very excellent images. I just ordered a D300 as it should suit me needs for now and a while. Aside from that, the price on used D300 is superb value for money, a year and a half ago Nikopn would not budge on the new prices and used prices for a good one were upwards of 800 and D200's were above 500.

Now one can get a good D300 for just over the same 500 or rated very good for just around or barely over 600.

I too like some of the mirrorless offerings (NEX 7 seems awesome), but the D300 has what I personally need.

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.....Just from an amateur......''Sometimes it's to your advantage for people to think you're crazy.” I am only a hoobyist, I cannot and do not give expert advice, dont expect it, just take it as a suggestion to think about, but only if you wish to.

The photos were not taken with a D300! I have a D300s with an array of lenses but was looking into replacing the body ... /camera/ ...

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Yes, I realise. Very nice.

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Thanks for sharing!

Did you get an X-E1?

If so, could you please compare how ISO is compared to the D300?

Ie, when set to same ISO, do you get the same speed/aperture?

I try to evaluate how much the better the Fuji is compared to my D300 but since I don't know how they compare regarding indicated ISO vs real ISO it's a bit hard.

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Sure, but wanted to avoid first bias ... Any guesses??

Cheers

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D4, I'm not good a guessing, nor take it seriously.

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Very nice! I think you might actually enjoy this one!!

Thanks!

I'll change my guess to another D300, though I'm shooting with a 700 now which is better in all but its appetite for more expensive lenses.

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If your new baby doesn't have those things, it won't replace my d300.

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ripnils wrote:

Thanks for sharing!

Did you get an X-E1?

If so, could you please compare how ISO is compared to the D300?

Ie, when set to same ISO, do you get the same speed/aperture?

I try to evaluate how much the better the Fuji is compared to my D300 but since I don't know how they compare regarding indicated ISO vs real ISO it's a bit hard.

Yep, the X-E1 ...

High ISO is no comparison, have a look at the dogs hair, there is no smearing I can see, that is at 6400. In good light the D300 is fine up to 1600, but if there is too much shadow, it really shows.

The X-E1 merely warms up at 1600 so if this is of any importance to you, then the X-E1 might be for you. The camera has usable jpeg images possible at 25600, not brilliant but still full of detail, have a look at the dpreview sample images of the X-E1, there is a patchwork, full of details, stitching, embroidery etc. The shot taken at 25600 ...

I personally never cared too much for low ISO capability. What made me change was the fact, that after using the D800 I thought: Am I going all the way up, including all the new glass etc or down ... didn't want to go downwards regarding image quality so did some hunting for alternatives. The X-E1 has the same sensor format as the D300 so I knew what to expect re DOF and bokeh.

http://masters.galleries.dpreview.com.s3.amazonaws.com/2348599.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=14Y3MT0G2J4Y72K3ZXR2&Expires=1358706131&Signature=TDRVTzNUmOgQA%2fiB0zXlLKxpUJM%3d

I find the detail at any given ISO is simply amazing! Pixel peeping a joy, if that's your game?

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deednets wrote:

jkjond wrote:

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Sure, but wanted to avoid first bias ... Any guesses??

Cheers

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All photos taken with Fuji X-E1 and 18-55/2.8-4.0 OIS (Fuji-speak for image stabilisation).

16 Mpx and NO anti alias filter, just like the Leica M9, D800E, Pentax 5K IIs! - and it shows IMO!

Wasn't meant to be taken seriously (I personally run for the hills when people on these forums mention that the comparison hasn't been conducted unter lab conditions etc ... you get my drift?) was merely sharing some of the first 100 or so frames with yet another camera.

Have been a Nikon shooter since 1982?? 83?? can't remember, so thought I would share this here although I know that there are people here who only watch Wimbledon when a British player in on Centre Court ...

Cheers

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If your new baby doesn't have those things, it won't replace my d300.

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Well then don't! Autofocus is a no brainer in favour of the D300!! Per pixel sharpness is much higher though because of the lacking of an anti alias filter! The X-E1 does 6 FPS at 14-bit though ...

You get some, you lose some .. I intended to keep my D300s, wait for the D400 (or whatever...) and keep all my lenses. Truth is that I feel less than enthused about picking up the D300 now, simply because the files of the X-E1 are a perceivable notch above the D300s. Higher DR (not just at pixel peeping level!) and a clarity that is just stunning! The micro contrast of the D300 can be pushed in software to mimic the Fuji sensor (shadow recovery or blown highlights, sharpening etc) but it never quite gets there ...

One of those moments where you open the files and think: "Is this for real??"

Drawback?? For sure!!!! The 51-point AF I would have loved to keep! Autofocus certainly not as good (to put it mildly!) but not that bad either! AF is slow but when it locks in, it locks in! I took around 100 or so photos at the Hot Rod show and not a sngle one is OOF, no biggie, since the light was good. The night shots in Auckland were all taken after dark - and again not a single one OOF. If you shoot sports then forget about this camera though!

Benefits?? For sure! Forget about your pixel density! The per pixel sharness of the Fuji sensor just blows the Nikon files out of the water! Seriously! Another benefit I find is the near silent operation of the camera, quiter than the M9, a mere click, the lens AF motor you can barely hear.

So there you have it, the good and the bad! Image quality is exceptional! Have given the D800 a good try over the last 7 or so weeks, but per pixel the Fuji is just sharper, just more fun on screen to work with! Have a look at this photo, there is some engraving on the right hand side in the shadowy area of the carburator. If pixel level is your game ... well ...

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Well then don't! Autofocus is a no brainer in favour of the D300!! Per pixel sharpness is much higher though because of the lacking of an anti alias filter! The X-E1 does 6 FPS at 14-bit though ..

AF is one of the most important aspects of the d300, IMO.  The X-E1 files might be nice, but I'd rather use my d3s for high ISO stuff.  It gives me the AF, FPS and all the other stuff, plus the great high ISO files.

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deednets wrote:

jkjond wrote:

deednets wrote:

jkjond wrote:

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Sure, but wanted to avoid first bias ... Any guesses??

Cheers

Deed

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All photos taken with Fuji X-E1 and 18-55/2.8-4.0 OIS (Fuji-speak for image stabilisation).

16 Mpx and NO anti alias filter, just like the Leica M9, D800E, Pentax 5K IIs! - and it shows IMO!

Wasn't meant to be taken seriously (I personally run for the hills when people on these forums mention that the comparison hasn't been conducted unter lab conditions etc ... you get my drift?) was merely sharing some of the first 100 or so frames with yet another camera.

Have been a Nikon shooter since 1982?? 83?? can't remember, so thought I would share this here although I know that there are people here who only watch Wimbledon when a British player in on Centre Court ...

Cheers

Deed

hmm, nice one. These small cameras are getting very serious, and Fuji have come up with some tasty brews. My daughter has an x10, which is very nice.

I must say, the only camera that has really caught my imagination of late is the OM-D. Maybe I'm just showing my age. If I could justify one, I would!

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hmm, nice one. These small cameras are getting very serious, and Fuji have come up with some tasty brews. My daughter has an x10, which is very nice.

I must say, the only camera that has really caught my imagination of late is the OM-D. Maybe I'm just showing my age. If I could justify one, I would!

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The OM-D much smaller sensor! AF faster, but because of the faster sensor more difficult for OOF, bokeh etc. Has an anti alias filter though and high ISO not that brilliant! OM-D has picture styles too ... *wink* the Fuji more of a purist job ... almost like the olden days ... with modern sensor! Not a bad combi!

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deednets wrote:

Well then don't! Autofocus is a no brainer in favour of the D300!! Per pixel sharpness is much higher though because of the lacking of an anti alias filter! The X-E1 does 6 FPS at 14-bit though ..

AF is one of the most important aspects of the d300, IMO. The X-E1 files might be nice, but I'd rather use my d3s for high ISO stuff. It gives me the AF, FPS and all the other stuff, plus the great high ISO files.

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Sure! If you can afford it, need it or just want it, then that's fine with me! I have no intentions regarding winning people over to another system! Just thought that some here might find this interesting! I did 2 trips to Christchurch within the last 4 weeks and my camera bag (backpack) is considered borderline regarding size and weight. The usual stuff in it I guess, 70-200, macro, wide angle, flash, iPAD, charger, batteries, filters ... 7kg ... Make it 8 with the tripod ...

Will be doing the Tongariro crossing next month, a track next to the volcano that erupted last month and I though: Am I nuts?? The Fuji weighs 800g with lens ... plus tripod, make it 1.8 with the tripod. I am getting old you know ...

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deednets wrote:

ripnils wrote:

Thanks for sharing!

Did you get an X-E1?

If so, could you please compare how ISO is compared to the D300?

Ie, when set to same ISO, do you get the same speed/aperture?

I try to evaluate how much the better the Fuji is compared to my D300 but since I don't know how they compare regarding indicated ISO vs real ISO it's a bit hard.

Yep, the X-E1 ...

High ISO is no comparison, have a look at the dogs hair, there is no smearing I can see, that is at 6400. In good light the D300 is fine up to 1600, but if there is too much shadow, it really shows.

Yeah I know, it five years younger so it SHOULD be no comparsion... = )

What I meant was, a shot with both cameras at ISO3200, do you get the same speed/f-stop?

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Does not matter what is it. My D300S will produce all of those pictures. No reason to loose money for nothing.

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