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Dump the Monarchy
4 months ago
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Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
I think you may have mist the fact about the millions of dollars they bring in from the American and overseas tourists, every time you are at the gates of Buc Palace that is all one hears. There seemed to be a pretty big crowed at the Queens diamond jubilee 2012. What would they have a republic something like the US, and what would all the commonwealth country's do ever year for there meetings.
Andy
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This is not a religious comment, merely a historical fact.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
They earn more for the government than their keep. They are independently wealthy and do not live on the government dole. As I see it, they are like animals in a zoo where people pay big money just to gawk at them.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
the english deserve them.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
a little knowledge is a dangerous thing
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
This is the second thread you've started on the British Monarchy. What's your problem this time, too much to drink?
Why do you care Malibu, is it because you don't have one but allways wanted one?
Never mind you did have the Kennedy's for a while, oh until you shot them that is. LOL
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'War does not determine who is right, only who is left'
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to D P O'neil,
4 months ago
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D P O'neil wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
This is the second thread you've started on the British Monarchy. What's your problem this time, too much to drink?
Why do you care Malibu, is it because you don't have one but allways wanted one?
Never mind you did have the Kennedy's for a while, oh until you shot them that is. LOL
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Kind Regards
Dennis P O'Neil APSNZ
'War does not determine who is right, only who is left'
In the crisis after the death of Princess Diana they were on the brink. But since, they have won enormously in popularity, mainly due to Queen Elizabeth.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
The British Royal Family and all it's related trimmings earn the UK $billions in tourist dollars every single year.
It costs the UK tax-payer only $180 Million per annum to keep them. Seems like a pretty good investment to me.
Also, the Royals have a lot of ambassador style clout in the business world...and secure lots of trade & investment contracts from overseas firms for Britain....that just regular diplomats and biz contacts could not.
London is (by far) the worlds most visited city. Do you think this would be the case...IF England had no monarchy, no Buckingham Palace, no Tower of of London, no Windsor Castle, and all the rest of it?
Nah, I don't think so.
Plus, IF one gets rid of the Royals....what do you actually replace it with (as a tourism /business destination-vehicle)...and how much is that going to cost instead? To create the kind of destination-market pull that Britain has at the moment...via other means, may in the long run be extremely difficult to do....and a lot more costly.
There's nothing wrong with maintaining ones heritage and cultural traditions...IF the country and it's people actually benefit from it. Britain, without a Royal Family and everything that this entails would simply be like any other colonial outpost.
And that just wouldn't do....now would it ole chap
Pass the TEA would you.
Cheers,
KEV
"No problem can be solved at the level of consciousness which created it" - Albert Einstein
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Thankfully....
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
"Dumping the British Monarchy" is not a decision an American will ever get to make. FWIW they bring in millions (if not billions) of pounds of tourism to our country every year, they make a valuable contribution to our history and heritage and the head of state is also part of our democratic process. Instead of arming every citizen we take the more civilised view that our head state can also be a "checkpoint" for key changes to law and governance, we find it's a lot safer that way for everyone.
The Royal Family bring in far more revenue to the country than they cost and they are also the envy of many countries who either have never had a monarchy (USA for instance) or who got rid of their own.
I challenge anyone to go and experience the "Trooping of the colour" or any other similar occasion involving the Royal Family and not be impressed.
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Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
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Re: Thankfully....
In reply to papillon_65,
4 months ago
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papillon_65 wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
"Dumping the British Monarchy" is not a decision an American will ever get to make. FWIW they bring in millions (if not billions) of pounds of tourism to our country every year, they make a valuable contribution to our history and heritage and the head of state is also part of our democratic process. Instead of arming every citizen we take the more civilised view that our head state can also be a "checkpoint" for key changes to law and governance, we find it's a lot safer that way for everyone.
The Royal Family bring in far more revenue to the country than they cost and they are also the envy of many countries who either have never had a monarchy (USA for instance) or who got rid of their own.
I challenge anyone to go and experience the "Trooping of the colour" or any other similar occasion involving the Royal Family and not be impressed.
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Any problem on earth can be solved by a well aimed Pomegranate...
Tony
http://the-random-photographer.blogspot.com/
Hehe - even a monarchy hater must admit they are far better than the 2nd amendment! (better called: "slave patrol amendment" (see this thread: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3369367)
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
Other have already commented on the cost/benefit analysis of having the Royals.
In addition, I would like to add that Prince Charles' farms produce wonderful organic food and delicacies, like buttermilk scones, honey, strawberry jam which is just out of this world, superb ham and other products.
His farming business makes a lot of money also, he even pays taxes, a damnable thing for a royal, isn't it ?
If you were to argue that today's royals are merely the descendants of the village bullies and local heroes of two thousand years ago who were "elected" to their job of king of something, I might agree with you.
PS
some people also write "skones" instead of "scones", I wonder about that.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to RossAndrew,
4 months ago
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RossAndrew wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
I think you may have mist the fact about the millions of dollars they bring in from the American and overseas tourists, every time you are at the gates of Buc Palace that is all one hears. There seemed to be a pretty big crowed at the Queens diamond jubilee 2012. What would they have a republic something like the US, and what would all the commonwealth country's do ever year for there meetings.
Andy
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This is not a religious comment, merely a historical fact.
Ubi's just jealous. The Queen has done an amazing job since the middle of the last century repaid many times for the amount brought in to the UK in tourism. Plus the fact she is an amazing non political ambassador that countries like the US would eat their hearts out for. She doesn't interfere in our politics but maintains a huge interest. Long may she reign, beats all other systems by a mile.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to D P O'neil,
4 months ago
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D P O'neil wrote:
Snip...
Never mind you did have the Kennedy's for a while, oh until you shot them that is. LOL
LOL???????????????????????????????
The New Zealand Tourist Bureau must love people like you representing your country.
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All the best,
Jim
Photographers take pictures; the camera is only a tool.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to Ubilam,
4 months ago
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Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
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Digital photography gear is consistently inconsistent.
And Hey Ubi, how about being honest about your country instead of hiding behind a false one. If you want trash another country, have the balls to admit where your view is coming from, 'cos it sure aint Burundi.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to KEVZPHOTOS,
4 months ago
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KEVZPHOTOS wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
The British Royal Family and all it's related trimmings earn the UK $billions in tourist dollars every single year.
It costs the UK tax-payer only $180 Million per annum to keep them. Seems like a pretty good investment to me.
Also, the Royals have a lot of ambassador style clout in the business world...and secure lots of trade & investment contracts from overseas firms for Britain....that just regular diplomats and biz contacts could not.
London is (by far) the worlds most visited city. Do you think this would be the case...IF England had no monarchy, no Buckingham Palace, no Tower of of London, no Windsor Castle, and all the rest of it?
Nah, I don't think so.
Plus, IF one gets rid of the Royals....what do you actually replace it with (as a tourism /business destination-vehicle)...and how much is that going to cost instead? To create the kind of destination-market pull that Britain has at the moment...via other means, may in the long run be extremely difficult to do....and a lot more costly.
There's nothing wrong with maintaining ones heritage and cultural traditions...IF the country and it's people actually benefit from it. Britain, without a Royal Family and everything that this entails would simply be like any other colonial outpost.
And that just wouldn't do....now would it ole chap
Pass the TEA would you.
Cheers,
KEV
So, if you had Bob Iger they would be out in the street? It seems a little sad that their subjects see them as a tourist attraction.
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to lownine,
4 months ago
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lownine wrote:
KEVZPHOTOS wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
The British Royal Family and all it's related trimmings earn the UK $billions in tourist dollars every single year.
It costs the UK tax-payer only $180 Million per annum to keep them. Seems like a pretty good investment to me.
Also, the Royals have a lot of ambassador style clout in the business world...and secure lots of trade & investment contracts from overseas firms for Britain....that just regular diplomats and biz contacts could not.
London is (by far) the worlds most visited city. Do you think this would be the case...IF England had no monarchy, no Buckingham Palace, no Tower of of London, no Windsor Castle, and all the rest of it?
Nah, I don't think so.
Plus, IF one gets rid of the Royals....what do you actually replace it with (as a tourism /business destination-vehicle)...and how much is that going to cost instead? To create the kind of destination-market pull that Britain has at the moment...via other means, may in the long run be extremely difficult to do....and a lot more costly.
There's nothing wrong with maintaining ones heritage and cultural traditions...IF the country and it's people actually benefit from it. Britain, without a Royal Family and everything that this entails would simply be like any other colonial outpost.
And that just wouldn't do....now would it ole chap
Pass the TEA would you.
Cheers,
KEV
So, if you had Bob Iger they would be out in the street? It seems a little sad that their subjects see them as a tourist attraction.
blimey which century are you in, we stopped being subjects decades ago, we are citizens of this country forever more.
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Casino
In reply to KEVZPHOTOS,
4 months ago
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KEVZPHOTOS wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
The British Royal Family and all it's related trimmings earn the UK $billions in tourist dollars every single year.
It costs the UK tax-payer only $180 Million per annum to keep them. Seems like a pretty good investment to me.
Also, the Royals have a lot of ambassador style clout in the business world...and secure lots of trade & investment contracts from overseas firms for Britain....that just regular diplomats and biz contacts could not.
London is (by far) the worlds most visited city. Do you think this would be the case...IF England had no monarchy, no Buckingham Palace, no Tower of of London, no Windsor Castle, and all the rest of it?
Nah, I don't think so.
Plus, IF one gets rid of the Royals....what do you actually replace it with (as a tourism /business destination-vehicle)...and how much is that going to cost instead? To create the kind of destination-market pull that Britain has at the moment...via other means, may in the long run be extremely difficult to do....and a lot more costly.
There's nothing wrong with maintaining ones heritage and cultural traditions...IF the country and it's people actually benefit from it. Britain, without a Royal Family and everything that this entails would simply be like any other colonial outpost.
And that just wouldn't do....now would it ole chap
Pass the TEA would you.
Cheers,
KEV
"No problem can be solved at the level of consciousness which created it" - Albert Einstein
You may be as proud of your Monarchy generating revenues as you are proud of a casino, generating similar revenues.Nothing wrong with that.
But when I hear of people talking how privileged they were of the visit to the palace and seeing the old bag from 10 feet away , feeling as if they were before a deity, I cringe.
I have just finished Rod Stewart's biography, and even he felt humbled, star struck and shaky , performing before the Queen?
What's wrong with you people? An ordinary baker getting up every day at 04.00 in the morning brings more contribution to society that the Queen, money aside. Treating her as a money making tool is one thing but worshiping her for nothing that she has done is just sick.
Is she a replacement for God to British atheists?
Rgds
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Re: Dump the Monarchy
In reply to lownine,
4 months ago
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lownine wrote:
KEVZPHOTOS wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
The British Royal Family and all it's related trimmings earn the UK $billions in tourist dollars every single year.
It costs the UK tax-payer only $180 Million per annum to keep them. Seems like a pretty good investment to me.
Also, the Royals have a lot of ambassador style clout in the business world...and secure lots of trade & investment contracts from overseas firms for Britain....that just regular diplomats and biz contacts could not.
London is (by far) the worlds most visited city. Do you think this would be the case...IF England had no monarchy, no Buckingham Palace, no Tower of of London, no Windsor Castle, and all the rest of it?
Nah, I don't think so.
Plus, IF one gets rid of the Royals....what do you actually replace it with (as a tourism /business destination-vehicle)...and how much is that going to cost instead? To create the kind of destination-market pull that Britain has at the moment...via other means, may in the long run be extremely difficult to do....and a lot more costly.
There's nothing wrong with maintaining ones heritage and cultural traditions...IF the country and it's people actually benefit from it. Britain, without a Royal Family and everything that this entails would simply be like any other colonial outpost.
And that just wouldn't do....now would it ole chap
Pass the TEA would you.
Cheers,
KEV
So, if you had Bob Iger they would be out in the street? It seems a little sad that their subjects see them as a tourist attraction.
I don't think the Royal family are complaining, nor (most of )the British people. It is the best of all the alternatives for us. I'm for keeping it.
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Re: Casino
In reply to Marcamera,
4 months ago
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Marcamera wrote:
KEVZPHOTOS wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
The British Royal Family and all it's related trimmings earn the UK $billions in tourist dollars every single year.
It costs the UK tax-payer only $180 Million per annum to keep them. Seems like a pretty good investment to me.
Also, the Royals have a lot of ambassador style clout in the business world...and secure lots of trade & investment contracts from overseas firms for Britain....that just regular diplomats and biz contacts could not.
London is (by far) the worlds most visited city. Do you think this would be the case...IF England had no monarchy, no Buckingham Palace, no Tower of of London, no Windsor Castle, and all the rest of it?
Nah, I don't think so.
Plus, IF one gets rid of the Royals....what do you actually replace it with (as a tourism /business destination-vehicle)...and how much is that going to cost instead? To create the kind of destination-market pull that Britain has at the moment...via other means, may in the long run be extremely difficult to do....and a lot more costly.
There's nothing wrong with maintaining ones heritage and cultural traditions...IF the country and it's people actually benefit from it. Britain, without a Royal Family and everything that this entails would simply be like any other colonial outpost.
And that just wouldn't do....now would it ole chap
Pass the TEA would you.
Cheers,
KEV
"No problem can be solved at the level of consciousness which created it" - Albert Einstein
You may be as proud of your Monarchy generating revenues as you are proud of a casino, generating similar revenues.Nothing wrong with that.
But when I hear of people talking how privileged they were of the visit to the palace and seeing the old bag from 10 feet away , feeling as if they were before a deity, I cringe.
I have just finished Rod Stewart's biography, and even he felt humbled, star struck and shaky , performing before the Queen?
What's wrong with you people? An ordinary baker getting up every day at 04.00 in the morning brings more contribution to society that the Queen, money aside. Treating her as a money making tool is one thing but worshiping her for nothing that she has done is just sick.
Is she a replacement for God to British atheists?
Rgds
It's a business just like Disneyland, Major League Baseball, the NFL and the movies. It's the entertainment business and the hero/heroine worship that normally occurs with the celebrities that are created.
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Re: Casino
In reply to mamallama,
4 months ago
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mamallama wrote:
Marcamera wrote:
KEVZPHOTOS wrote:
Ubilam wrote:
Isn't it time we dump the monarchies? The British monarchy is the worst bunch of f-ups and louses around and yet they live in rich opulence and thumb their noses at their subjects and the world in general. Its like how stupid is the general public to allow these farces to continue?
The British Royal Family and all it's related trimmings earn the UK $billions in tourist dollars every single year.
It costs the UK tax-payer only $180 Million per annum to keep them. Seems like a pretty good investment to me.
Also, the Royals have a lot of ambassador style clout in the business world...and secure lots of trade & investment contracts from overseas firms for Britain....that just regular diplomats and biz contacts could not.
London is (by far) the worlds most visited city. Do you think this would be the case...IF England had no monarchy, no Buckingham Palace, no Tower of of London, no Windsor Castle, and all the rest of it?
Nah, I don't think so.
Plus, IF one gets rid of the Royals....what do you actually replace it with (as a tourism /business destination-vehicle)...and how much is that going to cost instead? To create the kind of destination-market pull that Britain has at the moment...via other means, may in the long run be extremely difficult to do....and a lot more costly.
There's nothing wrong with maintaining ones heritage and cultural traditions...IF the country and it's people actually benefit from it. Britain, without a Royal Family and everything that this entails would simply be like any other colonial outpost.
And that just wouldn't do....now would it ole chap
Pass the TEA would you.
Cheers,
KEV
"No problem can be solved at the level of consciousness which created it" - Albert Einstein
You may be as proud of your Monarchy generating revenues as you are proud of a casino, generating similar revenues.Nothing wrong with that.
But when I hear of people talking how privileged they were of the visit to the palace and seeing the old bag from 10 feet away , feeling as if they were before a deity, I cringe.
I have just finished Rod Stewart's biography, and even he felt humbled, star struck and shaky , performing before the Queen?
What's wrong with you people? An ordinary baker getting up every day at 04.00 in the morning brings more contribution to society that the Queen, money aside. Treating her as a money making tool is one thing but worshiping her for nothing that she has done is just sick.
Is she a replacement for God to British atheists?
Rgds
It's a business just like Disneyland, Major League Baseball, the NFL and the movies. It's the entertainment business and the hero/heroine worship that normally occurs with the celebrities that are created.
Except for the fact that celebrities , in many cases, began in a humble way and ascended to their status.
With Monarchy, there is no process, it begins at birth.
Rgds
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