Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark

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penns
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Re: Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark
In reply to Hugowolf, May 10, 2013

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

I would rather leave the color management on auto and not have to mess with this.  On auto, I just print it from here.  With manual, I click ok and then print.  What else do you need to know?  I haven't changed another settings that I know of.

Since Auto seems to be causing problems, I would suggest trying to get the printer to use the correct paper/printer profile.

In the Main tab of the printer properties dialog:
Select the media type for the Canon paper you are using.
Select a print quality of high or standard
Under color/intensity, choose Manual
Then press the Set button

There are two tabs in this dialog, everything in the Color Adjustment tab should be set to zero or normal.

On the Matching tab:
From the Color Correction dropdown, choose ICM
For the Input Profile, choose Standard
For the Printer Profile, choose the one that matches your Canon paper
For the Rendering Intent, choose Relative Colorimetric

OK out of everything until you get back to where you have a print button. You should now be ready to print.

Brian A

Ok tried that.  Still purple.

The bottles look quite purple on my calibrated monitor. How about the Tree shot sky?

Brian A

Thanks for all your help.  I've decided to give up.  I called my credit card this afternoon.  My extended return policy is up on Tuesday so I needed to decide.  Thanks again.

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penns
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Re: Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark
In reply to klavrack, May 10, 2013

klavrack wrote:

Just an update--my new-in-box i960 is doing great.  Just finished 1st tank of BCI-6 Photo Magenta.  I replaced it with a CLI-8PM tank--still spot-on color and I get a fairly economical option with better fade resistance.  Shame on Canon for phasing such printers out, IMO.  Last time I looked, a new-in-box i9900 was listed on Ebay for $1500.  Still, lots of happy PRO-100 owners out there.  Any word on yours?

I got mine back and it's still doing the same thing.  Maybe it's just the way this one prints.  I called the credit card that I bought it with and they give extended return privileges.  I'll be sending it to them for a refund.  I'm not sure where to go from here, but I will print a few with the old Hp for now.  I was told to get an Epson.  Maybe I'll look there.  Although I'm sorry you had the same problem, I'm glad it wasn't just me.  Thanks for speaking up.

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The bottles are PURPLE....
In reply to penns, May 11, 2013

penns wrote:

klavrack wrote:

Just an update--my new-in-box i960 is doing great.  Just finished 1st tank of BCI-6 Photo Magenta.  I replaced it with a CLI-8PM tank--still spot-on color and I get a fairly economical option with better fade resistance.  Shame on Canon for phasing such printers out, IMO.  Last time I looked, a new-in-box i9900 was listed on Ebay for $1500.  Still, lots of happy PRO-100 owners out there.  Any word on yours?

I got mine back and it's still doing the same thing.  Maybe it's just the way this one prints.  I called the credit card that I bought it with and they give extended return privileges.  I'll be sending it to them for a refund.  I'm not sure where to go from here, but I will print a few with the old Hp for now.  I was told to get an Epson.  Maybe I'll look there.  Although I'm sorry you had the same problem, I'm glad it wasn't just me.  Thanks for speaking up.

as viewed on my claibrated monitor, and it prints purple on both my Epson R3000 and Canon PRO9000 MK II printers.

What Brian, Joe and myself are trying to tell you, is that there is nothing wrong with your printer!  Unfortunately it is you, your settings and the application that you use are not correct for your goal.  You can buy an Epson, HP, or another Canon printer and it will still print that photo purple, which is correct.

You need....

1.  A good monitor, and calibration hardware/software.

2.  Use a good photo editing/printing application, such as, Photoshop, Lightroom, Photoshop Elements, etc. and learn to make the correct settings.

3.  Only use OEM inks, and if going 3rd party inks then you need to go to the next level and generate your own custom ICC printer profiles using a ColorMunki Photo, etc. which is probably beyond your knowledge at this point.

Good luck!

Bob P.

Bob P.

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jtoolman
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Re: Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark
In reply to penns, May 11, 2013

penns wrote:

jtoolman wrote:

penns wrote:

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

I would rather leave the color management on auto and not have to mess with this.  On auto, I just print it from here.  With manual, I click ok and then print.  What else do you need to know?  I haven't changed another settings that I know of.

Since Auto seems to be causing problems, I would suggest trying to get the printer to use the correct paper/printer profile.

In the Main tab of the printer properties dialog:
Select the media type for the Canon paper you are using.
Select a print quality of high or standard
Under color/intensity, choose Manual
Then press the Set button

There are two tabs in this dialog, everything in the Color Adjustment tab should be set to zero or normal.

On the Matching tab:
From the Color Correction dropdown, choose ICM
For the Input Profile, choose Standard
For the Printer Profile, choose the one that matches your Canon paper
For the Rendering Intent, choose Relative Colorimetric

OK out of everything until you get back to where you have a print button. You should now be ready to print.

Brian A

Ok tried that.  Still purple.

The bottles look quite purple on my calibrated monitor. How about the Tree shot sky?

Brian A

I'm not sure which tree shot?  Are you getting me confused with someone else?  I have been working with these bottles and a shot of some rooftops in Venice.

By the way your bottles also look purplish on my Hardware calibrated monitor as well.

Have you considered that you monitor may be displaying you image incorrectly? So when the printer prints it the way it actually is, it looks off?

Have you tried printing a standard image file without editing it. These files are intended to bypass the monitor's calibration. The image file will have a composite of different images and a black to white ramp as well as RGB and CMY patches which will be very easy to visually determine if the printer is printing correctly. If one of these images prints perfectly but does not look correct on your monitor, them you will know that it's you monitor that needs calibration.

Here is a particularly good one that I use.

Print it using only standard settings. Do not use any slider adjustments. Neutralize everything. Just use the settings you were given a few posts ago. Then look at it in Daylight. Look for the color on the black to white ramp where it should be neutral. The photos should appear "Right" not too light not too dark and the colors should appear natural with no shift in either direction.

Unless you printer is not printing correctly, this print should be excellent.

Joe

I printed Canon's stock photo for them.  It was dark/purple.  I've decided to give up and will be trying something different.  My credit can gives me extended return privileges for 90 days and I called them this afternoon.   The 90 days is up on Tuesday so I had to decide.  I appreciate everyone's help on this.  I am very disappointed, because this printer seemed to be just what I was looking for.  Not sure what I'll buy, but I'm looking at Epson.  Thanks again

Unless you get your monitor properly calibrated so the files, which as you have stated, are being printed directly from the camera's card, will be displayed in their correct color, an Epson or any other printer is not going to solve your problem.

Imagine a fever thermometer that is consistantly off by two degrees on the cold side. You could have a slight fever and be told that you are 98.6 by the uncalibrated thermometer.

Any viewing instrument that is being used as a standard, which in this case, the standard by which you are judging your images is your uncalibrated monitor, has to be trusted as showing your image correctly. Regardless of the fact that your HP printer seems to print your mages the way your monitor is displaying them does not mean that that everything is fine. It means that by total luck your HP printing is also printing off color. It's just that it happens that it is adding the oposite color shift and it is by cooincidence printing a print that matches your uncalibrated monitor.

On your monitor, your bottles are looking more toward cyan but correctly printing as purple, right? But on all of our monitors ( calibrated ) your bottles image are looking purple. Even my laptop screen shows them as purple. So since several of us see your bottles as being purple, chances are they are indeed purple.

I know it is a dificult concept to grasp and believe me, I went through a year or too, strugling, with my printing. But now I can pretty much print with my eyes closed and be assured that I get accurate color and density from any of my 15 Canon and Epson printers. It's all about your workflow.

Joe

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Re: Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark
In reply to jtoolman, May 11, 2013

jtoolman wrote:

penns wrote:

jtoolman wrote:

penns wrote:

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

I would rather leave the color management on auto and not have to mess with this.  On auto, I just print it from here.  With manual, I click ok and then print.  What else do you need to know?  I haven't changed another settings that I know of.

Since Auto seems to be causing problems, I would suggest trying to get the printer to use the correct paper/printer profile.

In the Main tab of the printer properties dialog:
Select the media type for the Canon paper you are using.
Select a print quality of high or standard
Under color/intensity, choose Manual
Then press the Set button

There are two tabs in this dialog, everything in the Color Adjustment tab should be set to zero or normal.

On the Matching tab:
From the Color Correction dropdown, choose ICM
For the Input Profile, choose Standard
For the Printer Profile, choose the one that matches your Canon paper
For the Rendering Intent, choose Relative Colorimetric

OK out of everything until you get back to where you have a print button. You should now be ready to print.

Brian A

Ok tried that.  Still purple.

The bottles look quite purple on my calibrated monitor. How about the Tree shot sky?

Brian A

I'm not sure which tree shot?  Are you getting me confused with someone else?  I have been working with these bottles and a shot of some rooftops in Venice.

By the way your bottles also look purplish on my Hardware calibrated monitor as well.

Have you considered that you monitor may be displaying you image incorrectly? So when the printer prints it the way it actually is, it looks off?

Have you tried printing a standard image file without editing it. These files are intended to bypass the monitor's calibration. The image file will have a composite of different images and a black to white ramp as well as RGB and CMY patches which will be very easy to visually determine if the printer is printing correctly. If one of these images prints perfectly but does not look correct on your monitor, them you will know that it's you monitor that needs calibration.

Here is a particularly good one that I use.

Print it using only standard settings. Do not use any slider adjustments. Neutralize everything. Just use the settings you were given a few posts ago. Then look at it in Daylight. Look for the color on the black to white ramp where it should be neutral. The photos should appear "Right" not too light not too dark and the colors should appear natural with no shift in either direction.

Unless you printer is not printing correctly, this print should be excellent.

Joe

I printed Canon's stock photo for them.  It was dark/purple.  I've decided to give up and will be trying something different.  My credit can gives me extended return privileges for 90 days and I called them this afternoon.   The 90 days is up on Tuesday so I had to decide.  I appreciate everyone's help on this.  I am very disappointed, because this printer seemed to be just what I was looking for.  Not sure what I'll buy, but I'm looking at Epson.  Thanks again

Unless you get your monitor properly calibrated so the files, which as you have stated, are being printed directly from the camera's card, will be displayed in their correct color, an Epson or any other printer is not going to solve your problem.

Imagine a fever thermometer that is consistantly off by two degrees on the cold side. You could have a slight fever and be told that you are 98.6 by the uncalibrated thermometer.

Any viewing instrument that is being used as a standard, which in this case, the standard by which you are judging your images is your uncalibrated monitor, has to be trusted as showing your image correctly. Regardless of the fact that your HP printer seems to print your mages the way your monitor is displaying them does not mean that that everything is fine. It means that by total luck your HP printing is also printing off color. It's just that it happens that it is adding the oposite color shift and it is by cooincidence printing a print that matches your uncalibrated monitor.

On your monitor, your bottles are looking more toward cyan but correctly printing as purple, right? But on all of our monitors ( calibrated ) your bottles image are looking purple. Even my laptop screen shows them as purple. So since several of us see your bottles as being purple, chances are they are indeed purple.

I know it is a dificult concept to grasp and believe me, I went through a year or too, strugling, with my printing. But now I can pretty much print with my eyes closed and be assured that I get accurate color and density from any of my 15 Canon and Epson printers. It's all about your workflow.

Joe

Even on my monitor the bottles are not cyan.  I would call them a deep blue with a bit of purple.  It may be that my monitor is off a bit.  I understand that.  But when I printed the stock Canon photo and one of my own and mailed them to Canon, Canon agreed that the printer they had at their location was printing them different than mine.  Also I know what color the bottles and the sky was when the pictures were taken.  I have a hard time believing that neither the Nikon D700 and the Canon sx10IS could capture it correctly. I cannot afford calibration hardware at this time, so I will just have to see if the next printer I try will work better.  In the meantime, my Hp hasn't died yet and actually I don't have a backlog of pictures waiting to be printed.  I have time to look into all the possibilities.  Like I said, I appreciate your help and if I find a way to calibrate my monitor I will do it.

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Re: Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark
In reply to Hugowolf, May 11, 2013

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

I would rather leave the color management on auto and not have to mess with this.  On auto, I just print it from here.  With manual, I click ok and then print.  What else do you need to know?  I haven't changed another settings that I know of.

Since Auto seems to be causing problems, I would suggest trying to get the printer to use the correct paper/printer profile.

In the Main tab of the printer properties dialog:
Select the media type for the Canon paper you are using.
Select a print quality of high or standard
Under color/intensity, choose Manual
Then press the Set button

There are two tabs in this dialog, everything in the Color Adjustment tab should be set to zero or normal.

On the Matching tab:
From the Color Correction dropdown, choose ICM
For the Input Profile, choose Standard
For the Printer Profile, choose the one that matches your Canon paper
For the Rendering Intent, choose Relative Colorimetric

OK out of everything until you get back to where you have a print button. You should now be ready to print.

Brian A

You suggest choosing ICM. I have been using the None setting. If you don't mind sharing, why ICM?

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Hugowolf
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Re: Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark
In reply to lot, May 11, 2013

lot wrote:

Hugowolf wrote:

penns wrote:

I would rather leave the color management on auto and not have to mess with this.  On auto, I just print it from here.  With manual, I click ok and then print.  What else do you need to know?  I haven't changed another settings that I know of.

Since Auto seems to be causing problems, I would suggest trying to get the printer to use the correct paper/printer profile.

In the Main tab of the printer properties dialog:
Select the media type for the Canon paper you are using.
Select a print quality of high or standard
Under color/intensity, choose Manual
Then press the Set button

There are two tabs in this dialog, everything in the Color Adjustment tab should be set to zero or normal.

On the Matching tab:
From the Color Correction dropdown, choose ICM
For the Input Profile, choose Standard
For the Printer Profile, choose the one that matches your Canon paper
For the Rendering Intent, choose Relative Colorimetric

OK out of everything until you get back to where you have a print button. You should now be ready to print.

Brian A

You suggest choosing ICM. I have been using the None setting. If you don't mind sharing, why ICM?

You would choose none, if you want the software (Photoshop, Lightroom, Aperture, etc) to manage the color. You would select ICM (image color management) to have the driver mange color via the OS's CMM (color management module) using a selected ICC (international color consortium) profile.

Brian A

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penns
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Re: Pixma Pro 100 prints are too dark
In reply to penns, Jun 25, 2013

I bought an Epson 1430.  It is printing the pictures very close to what I expected with no adjustments.  They are very different that the prints from the Canon.  I was told in the beginning I should get an Epson.  I guess I should have listened.

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