The new Fuji X100S looks like it could give the RX1 some competition.

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Richard Spangler
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The new Fuji X100S looks like it could give the RX1 some competition.
Jan 7, 2013

The lens and sensor may not be as good but everything else looks pretty sweet and not to mention half the price.

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Re: The new Fuji X100S looks like it could give the RX1 some competition.
In reply to Richard Spangler, Jan 7, 2013

Agreed.  Provided raw support get sorted out.

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Richard Spangler wrote:

The lens and sensor may not be as good but everything else looks pretty sweet and not to mention half the price.

Richard,

Don't you already own a x100?

Have you placed an order for the X100S?

Do you think it will steal sales away from the RX1?

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Agree 100%. Both the Fuji x100 and Sony Rx1 are wonderful cameras with lots of capabilities and a few shortcomings. I've been impressed with Fuji's commitment and I fully expect the x100s to take a bite out of Rx1 sales. I would be happy with either one.

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Price wise definitely will steal from RX1. performance wise, if all its claims for fast AF and better controls, fast start up time, etc. are true, plus hybrid viewcam and new manual focus method, plus with its decent APS-C sensor. I would pick the X100S over RX1 unfortunately. but I'm still getting the RX100 (not fuji X100) bec of budget constraint and portability issue.  I like my camera in my belt loop.

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Re: The new Fuji X100S looks like it could give the RX1 some competition.
In reply to Len_Gee, Jan 8, 2013

Len_Gee wrote:

Richard Spangler wrote:

The lens and sensor may not be as good but everything else looks pretty sweet and not to mention half the price.

Richard,

Don't you already own a x100? RX100

Have you placed an order for the X100S? Not available until end of march

Do you think it will steal sales away from the RX1? It might.  Time will tell but it sure looks good on paper.  See the front news page on dpreview for details.

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chong4321 wrote:

Price wise definitely will steal from RX1. performance wise, if all its claims for fast AF and better controls, fast start up time, etc. are true, plus hybrid viewcam and new manual focus method, plus with its decent APS-C sensor. I would pick the X100S over RX1 unfortunately. but I'm still getting the RX100 (not fuji X100) bec of budget constraint and portability issue. I like my camera in my belt loop.

Will patiently wait for the RX200. Well, maybe not so patiently.

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FF and an exquisite Sonnar lens! The X100 is a great little camera and the "S" looks even better on paper. But the RX1 is in a different category. As far as price is concerned, it's simply the law of diminishing returns which shows here. For the (little) extra the Sony offers one simply has to accept the steep difference in price.

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In reply to Richard Spangler, Jan 8, 2013

Not sure why.

The fact it has an APS-C sensor with a 23mm f/2 lens means it competes with all the other APS-C cameras and not the FF RX1.

You don't need to wait for the X100S to pick up a capable and compact APS-C camera at half the price of an RX1.

The magic of the RX1 is a FF sensor in a compact body with a quality lens...without the FF sensor the magic is gone.

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ekaton wrote:

FF and an exquisite Sonnar lens! The X100 is a great little camera and the "S" looks even better on paper. But the RX1 is in a different category. As far as price is concerned, it's simply the law of diminishing returns which shows here. For the (little) extra the Sony offers one simply has to accept the steep difference in price.

I agree.  However, for some, I'm sure that the small difference may not be worth it and they will now opt for the X100s if it does all of the things claimed.  I think Sony better get a firmware upgrade out soon to address things like the AF and startup time on the RX1 to name a few.  For now, I will hold on to the RX1 but if Sony ignores the issues and the X100s actually provides the performance that was originally promised, I may have to sell it and replace it with the X100s.  I owned the X100 and really liked its size, portability and the hybrid VF.  I hated the AF and the MF was a complete joke.  Performance when writing image to card and slow start up, poor EVF and other issues really impacted its usability.  Maybe now they are finally getting it.  We will have to wait and see.

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The PDAF on sensor is useless in low light and indoors like the Nex-6...it sounds really good..."on paper"...if the high ISO is no better than the X100 then the RX1 still trumps it easily, from all the high ISO samples I viewed on IR...the X100 samples looked horrendous...

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New X00s sensor would be same as XE1 sensor plus the PDAF pixels.

XE1 does ISO6400 easily and has super good low light performance. Almost at Nikon FF levels.

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Astrophotographer 10 wrote:

New X00s sensor would be same as XE1 sensor plus the PDAF pixels.

XE1 does ISO6400 easily and has super good low light performance. Almost at Nikon FF levels.

Greg.

Check out ISO 3200 Samples Image Resources for both cameras (not even mentioning 6400)...Fuji's are not even close?...I always thought they were top of the line, but after a few comparison's I wasn't too impressed....

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Richard Spangler wrote:

The lens and sensor may not be as good but everything else looks pretty sweet and not to mention half the price.

I for one have put the RX1 on hold until the X100s is released and tested by everyday users.

I am a current X100 user and love that camera.

Hard decision given that they are two different sensor cameras.

We shall see.....

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Am I missing something?...

RX1 ISO 3200

XE1 ISO 3200

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LTZ470 wrote:

Am I missing something?...

Oh yes, you are missing few things.

First, I would take these comparisons with a pinch of salt because they are not accurate. If you use the DPR Studio Comparison tool, you'll be surprised to see that it is actually the RX1 that is a bit noisier at 3200, esp in the blue channel. So who is right?

Moreover, I have extensively tried out the XPRO-1 for two days, and without any comparison to any camera, ISO 3200 and 6400 results are nothing less than amazing any way you look at them so this is really a non issue. The X100s has the same sensor.

What you are also missing is a fantastic hybrid optical / electronic viewfinder and better AF performance - wet dreams for many RX1 users, plus some other goodies.

All this, combined with a better price tag, make the X100s a very serious competitor to the RX1 to every photographer who is looking for a high quality 35mm fixed lens camera, in a small package.

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...and then there is body style to consider.  I'm just not into carrying around a retro-Leica knock-off.

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Richard Spangler wrote:

The lens and sensor may not be as good but everything else looks pretty sweet and not to mention half the price.

Why do you believe this camera will compete with the RX1 vs. NEX (or M4/3)? Just because it is a fixed lens system?

I believe that most people who are interested in the RX1 want a compact FF camera with extremely high IQ.

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teseg wrote:

...and then there is body style to consider. I'm just not into carrying around a retro-Leica knock-off.

That is a consideration, like many others. I carry around a camera to take photos and not to show off so honestly, I couldn't care less even if my camera looks like a frog as long as it does what it is designed to do.

And btw, this retro style is much more ergonomic and comfortable to use than a p&s style as the RX1 is, which is another advantage of the X100s I haven't mentioned.

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