First good lens to be tested on the D800E on DXOmark!

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Lenses/Camera-Lens-Database/Nikon/Nikon-AF-S-NIKKOR-70-200mm-F4G-ED-VR/(camera)/814/(cameraname)/Nikon-D800E

I will follow up with a few of my observations.

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D800 scores 20MP

D800E scores 30Mp

Wow! AA filter must be strong

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Doesn't look too sharp...

D700 10Mpix

D3 10Mpix

D3s 9Mpix

D3x 19Mpix

D4 13Mpix

D600 18Mpix

D800 20Mpix

D800E 30Mpix

Seems like the D600 and D3x can achieve about the same resolution as the Base D800. You have to go for the E model to get more.

Also, 70-200mm zoom seems to out resolve most sensors on the market. We have yet to see if other lenses will be able to milk more resolution from the D800E but my guess is that the D800 might cap out in the mid 20's as far as Mpix rating goes.

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I would be very interested to see the 100% crops. I can't believe there is such a difference in between the D800 and the D800E.

Overpriced tripod collar notwithstanding, it's a winner and a keeper.

I think I will go ahead and forgive Nikon for making me wait/beg/whine/yell for this lens for several years.

Can't wait to take it on my next vacation.

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Im with you. What do you think about the D600/D3x vs D800.

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I think it proves that there is something wrong with what they measure. The D600, D800E and D3X seems to be where it should be. The D800 is not where it should be.

I was one of those who thought that the image quality difference at 100% (for those who have to use every detail) is rather limited and that there isn't all that much to it between the D800 and D800E. I've seen samples of colleagues which made me think, is al the fuss about that...

There is actually a lot of difference when using it under controlled/well setup conditions. I noticed it during a studio demonstration, they used the same lens (nikkor 85mm F/1.4D) on both camera's with both the same setups (no NR) and the detail difference in the models' hair, eyes/eyelashes was quite impressive. From now on I advice every one to buy the D800E if they really want to have all from this sensor with the small compromise of a bit of moire extra (and the D800 can be a moire machine too...)

I don't think the AA filter is strong...but the adjusted filter in the D800E together with the internal software does a marvelous job on getting all out of the sensor while keeping it excellent balanced in relation to the side effects..

Michel

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Hi Michel,

Do you have any example to share? So far, in everything I've seen, there was just a difference that can be compensated by sharpening.

Hey Michel,

I have had both models and you said it the best. The D800E looks like its a sharpened image from the D800 (but without any sharpening)

This is a bit of a guess but I assume that at F22, the D800, D800E and D600 would show the same detail/resolution. The lens is the weak link. This also might be true wide open on most lenses.

Zeiss is going to make a 55mm F1.4 only for high resolution sensors. It will cost about $4000.

In summary, to get more detail from the D800E you have to shoot at the best apertures, on a tripod and mirror locked up.

If they made a D800 with the same sensor as the D600. I would buy it. (It is a rumor and its called the D900)

But in the end, they are all great cameras. The D800E is the one I use.

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While I own the D800E and have seen a fair share of ultra-sharp eye-lashes, hair, and skin imperfection out of little kids (ISO400 and below, flash, 1/250 or faster, using any of the 70-200s or 85 primes), I am still surprised to see the measured numbers showing such a huge difference.

20 MPix versus 30MPix for the same sensor with a different low-pass-filter? Can it be real? I did own a D800 for a while and thought the difference is no more than 10-20%.

On a side note, on DXO's site the only other lens measured on both D800/E is the Tamron 28-300VC. D800 is at 8MPix and D800E at 11Mpix. So far the D800E "perceptual MP" reading is 37.5% to 50% higher.

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D800E, 16-35/4, 24-70/2.8, 70-200 VR2, TC-20E3, 28-300VR, 24/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 85/1.8G.

What sharpening, if any, is applied to the dxomark results?

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On the Tamron AF 28-300mm F/3.5-6.3 XR Di VC LD Aspherical [IF] Macro Nikon (could the name be any longer?)

D800 8Mpix

D800E 11Mpix

D3x 8Mpix

D600 9Mpix

This is quite hard to figure out. Seems like the D800 with AA cant resolve more detail than the 20 some MP bodies.

But we only seen results for one quality zoom lens but its still a zoom.

Cant wait for them to test the Zeiss 2/25, a lens I believe is the sharpest on the market....or any other prime

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I'm not quite sure but as long as they do the same post or development to every Raw image, we should be able to compare one to the other.

Even if the D800 (non E) cant resolve more detail than the D600, its still a better camera. And it should be for the extra money.

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But it wouldn't be true if the cameras with conventional AA filters benefited more from additional sharpening than the D800E does. This dxomark number is coming out of a black box.

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As you can see on the following link, they use what they call the RAW image

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/About/In-depth-measurements/Measuring-sensors-using-RAW-and-testing-lenses-on-cameras/Why-use-RAW-for-measurements

In a way, it does not mean anything, as there is no such a thing as a RAW image. I guess that they use their own RAW converter without any sharpening (if it means something).

Is this D900 rumor the one that pre-dates the D800 release? Or is it a new rumor?

The rumor from some quarters is we would see a 24MP FX that can do 8 fps, and that we perhaps would not see a DX D400.

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D800E, 16-35/4, 24-70/2.8, 70-200 VR2, TC-20E3, 28-300VR, 24/1.4G, 50/1.8G, 85/1.8G.

Im not quite sure where I heard it but it was somewhat recent. I remember them saying the D800 body with the 16MP sensor from the D4. I just remembered this one bit of detail. Sensor from the D4 not the D600.

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and we have to keep in mind..they are French

We will have to wait and see if the K5 IIs (pentax without AA) also benefits from no AA filter.

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