DP3 Merrill leaked

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It seems to be highly coincidental that these three cameras have nearly identical fields of view as my Fujinon 90mm, Caltar 150mm and Fujinon 210mm lenses for my 4x5 Korona field camera. I may end up with all three of these cameras when it's all said and done. I wonder if they'll make versions with front and back movements? 

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In reply to Harold66, Jan 8, 2013

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if this indeed is supposed to be a portrait lens , why did not make it equivalent to a 80mmor 85mm and ..more importantly .. why the heck a macro lens

Way, way back in the Dark Ages when I shot 4x5" portraits the standard lens for a single person was the 210mm, which has the approximate angle of view as a 70mm lens on a 35mm camera.

The macro is for ubersharpness I hope.

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Re: Higher capacity battery seems like a good idea to me.
In reply to Petroglyph, Jan 8, 2013

Same battery and charger as it's two siblings, BP-41

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In reply to Harold66, Jan 9, 2013

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Zhaopian wrote:

Leica has always had 75 mm lenses. Voigtlander has made a couple of good ones as well. Admittedly they are not common for SLRs, but that is their loss. 75 mm is a great landscape lens.

well I think that for most people a 75mm lens will not primarily be a landscape lens

I know the 3:2 format is a bugbear of yours, but you are clearly in the minority.

Yes , that is true . BUT almost any high end mirorless offers optional ratios

I also would like to add that while I get contracticted many times on this point , I have seen VERY few people posting portraits in that 3;2 ratio

Some people on these forums are keen to let me know that this is not a big deal and yet most of their images ( if not all of them) shot in vertical orientation in a camera with a 3;2 native ratio are cropped to a less oblong shape

You may find this strange, Harold, but I agree with you. The 3:2 format is horrible for portrait work - and so is FF. But we Sigma users seem to be stuck with it as I can't see the new Foveon sensor changing shape any time soon - although I guess it's possible to crop it in camera like others camera makers do. But... as I said - at least with the new 46MP sensor - we can crop without losing too much detail.

Personally, I would prefer a square format alternative, but I can’t see that happening.

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But the million dollar question is, SKIN TONES !!

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In reply to Harold66, Jan 9, 2013

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Unless of course it has some kind of a focus limit switch

All of the DP cameras have this option, turn on "AF Limit Mode" in the menus, then when switching between focus modes you have a third option - the "people/mountain" mode which does not focus closer than 3-4 meters or so.

not to mention that a portrait camera with a 3;2 ratio only is not a good choice for those of us who shoot verticals

I love verticals, I have no issues with the SD-1 aspect ratio.

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Re: All DP cameras have focus limit option
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Kendall Helmstetter Gelner wrote:

Unless of course it has some kind of a focus limit switch

All of the DP cameras have this option, turn on "AF Limit Mode" in the menus, then when switching between focus modes you have a third option - the "people/mountain" mode which does not focus closer than 3-4 meters or so.


Nope Sir. The focus limiter on the DP series (when the little mountain is on screen) limit the focus from 1 meter to infinity.

The activation of this mode do not need necessary to go in menu. Clicking the up arrow back pad once activate it. By clicking another time it activate the Manual Focus. On the DP3 an another option will be displayed in the same chain : MACRO.

To deactivate it you just need to click the back pad up arrow till you get back in normal mode (nothing concerning focus on the right of the screen).

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In reply to SigmaChrome, Jan 9, 2013

This is very good news. I'm just about to order a DP2M to accompany my DP1s and will add a DP3M as soon as available here. 75mm works as a good walkaround length for me and I have no problem at all with shooting portraits 3:2.

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Re: Higher capacity battery seems like a good idea to me.
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Well it is yet another DP*M. Presumably a higher capacity battery can also work in my DP2M since I am one of those owners you refer to.

The reason Sigma doesn't provides high capacity batteries is that they always knew they will have 3 dp cameras eventually and people will have 6 batteries eventually

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In reply to HBowman, Jan 9, 2013

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Nope Sir. The focus limiter on the DP series (when the little mountain is on screen) limit the focus from 1 meter to infinity.

The activation of this mode do not need necessary to go in menu. Clicking the up arrow back pad once activate it. By clicking another time it activate the Manual Focus. On the DP3 an another option will be displayed in the same chain : MACRO.

My DP2 does as you describe, on my DP2M the up arrow is a simple toggle between manual and auto focus, the limiter switch is in the menu. Unless there's another menu item to change that behavior...

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My DP2 does as you describe, on my DP2M the up arrow is a simple toggle between manual and auto focus, the limiter switch is in the menu. Unless there's another menu item to change that behavior...

There is.

On my DP1M and DP2M I can set in the menu to include limited focus when pressing the up arrow. So I think you should have another look at your menu  I can check my camera later where the option was as I don't recall now.

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villebon wrote:

Another fixed lens cameras! Has Sigma not heard about the ILC concept?

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I'm guessing Sigma are aware that in terms of general handling there DP series is really along way behind the competision which seems like its always going to limate its market as a more general use camera.

It seems a much better option as a second camera and I'm guessing most users are going to have a more specialist use in mind.

As Sigma has expressed: They make cameras for enthusiasts http://photorumors.com/2012/10/05/sigma-to-continue-to-produce-dslr-and-compact-system-cameras-for-photo-enthusiasts/#ixzz2HBnta8Aw

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Johan Borg wrote:

My DP2 does as you describe, on my DP2M the up arrow is a simple toggle between manual and auto focus, the limiter switch is in the menu. Unless there's another menu item to change that behavior...

There is.

On my DP1M and DP2M I can set in the menu to include limited focus when pressing the up arrow. So I think you should have another look at your menu I can check my camera later where the option was as I don't recall now.

The option is in the menu under the last blue menu page. The menu item is "AF limit Mode". Turn that On and you will have AF, AF Limit and MF when pressing the Up arrow.

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In reply to PrebenR, Jan 9, 2013

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PrebenR wrote:

Johan Borg wrote:

My DP2 does as you describe, on my DP2M the up arrow is a simple toggle between manual and auto focus, the limiter switch is in the menu. Unless there's another menu item to change that behavior...

There is.

On my DP1M and DP2M I can set in the menu to include limited focus when pressing the up arrow. So I think you should have another look at your menu I can check my camera later where the option was as I don't recall now.

The option is in the menu under the last blue menu page. The menu item is "AF limit Mode". Turn that On and you will have AF, AF Limit and MF when pressing the Up arrow.

Aha! Thanks, Preben! Must have been the first thing I turned off, focus speed is fine anyway for my needs.

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In reply to Paul CampbellCastle, Jan 9, 2013

Paul CampbellCastle wrote:

This is very good news. I'm just about to order a DP2M to accompany my DP1s and will add a DP3M as soon as available here. 75mm works as a good walkaround length for me and I have no problem at all with shooting portraits 3:2.

Again actions speak louder than words . if someone is attentive , one cannot help noticing that BOTH people on this thread who told me  "I have no problem   shooting verticals in the 3;2 ratio " have in their galleries , wait  ZERO vertical image

as I said , you are probably photogs who barely shoot verticals and in this case it is probably a non issue but I ll wait to see someone 's galleries with lots of vertical portraits  in that ratio to be convinced

something tells me that I am not going to be overwhelmed by  examples to that effect

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In reply to Harold66, Jan 9, 2013

Harold66 wrote:

Paul CampbellCastle wrote:

This is very good news. I'm just about to order a DP2M to accompany my DP1s and will add a DP3M as soon as available here. 75mm works as a good walkaround length for me and I have no problem at all with shooting portraits 3:2.

Again actions speak louder than words . if someone is attentive , one cannot help noticing that BOTH people on this thread who told me "I have no problem shooting verticals in the 3;2 ratio " have in their galleries , wait ZERO vertical image

as I said , you are probably photogs who barely shoot verticals and in this case it is probably a non issue but I ll wait to see someone 's galleries with lots of vertical portraits in that ratio to be convinced

something tells me that I am not going to be overwhelmed by examples to that effect

Try these, but then again they are not "most people"

http://www.corbijn.co.uk/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/gallery/2009/oct/18/jane-bown-60-years-portraits#/?picture=354266989&index=0

http://artodyssey1.blogspot.co.uk/2010/10/sebatiao-salgado-here-and-here.html

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Harold66 wrote:

Paul CampbellCastle wrote:

This is very good news. I'm just about to order a DP2M to accompany my DP1s and will add a DP3M as soon as available here. 75mm works as a good walkaround length for me and I have no problem at all with shooting portraits 3:2.

Again actions speak louder than words . if someone is attentive , one cannot help noticing that BOTH people on this thread who told me "I have no problem shooting verticals in the 3;2 ratio " have in their galleries , wait ZERO vertical image

as I said , you are probably photogs who barely shoot verticals and in this case it is probably a non issue but I ll wait to see someone 's galleries with lots of vertical portraits in that ratio to be convinced

something tells me that I am not going to be overwhelmed by examples to that effect

Try these, but then again they are not "most people"

you are COMPLETELY missing my point. actually making it further . I NEVER wrote that some photographers  do not PREFER the 3;2 ratio . I am saying that :

1/ the camera ratio is an underrated criteria in the choice of a camera  . that being said , there is NO doubt that for a " niche" manutacturer like SIGMA , limiting its raw shooting to the only 3;2 ratio is another minus factor to narrow the field of potential customers

2/ People on these forums who  claim they like vertical images in the 3;2 ratio , and chiefly portraits do not have many .. if any

let s not twist what I said . these are my 2 main comments on this specific point

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In reply to Harold66, Jan 9, 2013

Harold66 wrote:

MrBlissfly wrote:

Harold66 wrote:

Paul CampbellCastle wrote:

This is very good news. I'm just about to order a DP2M to accompany my DP1s and will add a DP3M as soon as available here. 75mm works as a good walkaround length for me and I have no problem at all with shooting portraits 3:2.

Again actions speak louder than words . if someone is attentive , one cannot help noticing that BOTH people on this thread who told me "I have no problem shooting verticals in the 3;2 ratio " have in their galleries , wait ZERO vertical image

as I said , you are probably photogs who barely shoot verticals and in this case it is probably a non issue but I ll wait to see someone 's galleries with lots of vertical portraits in that ratio to be convinced

something tells me that I am not going to be overwhelmed by examples to that effect

Try these, but then again they are not "most people"

you are COMPLETELY missing my point. actually making it further . I NEVER wrote that some photographers do not PREFER the 3;2 ratio . I am saying that :

1/ the camera ratio is an underrated criteria in the choice of a camera . that being said , there is NO doubt that for a " niche" manutacturer like SIGMA , limiting its raw shooting to the only 3;2 ratio is another minus factor to narrow the field of potential customers

2/ People on these forums who claim they like vertical images in the 3;2 ratio , and chiefly portraits do not have many .. if any

let s not twist what I said . these are my 2 main comments on this specific point

Harold

Fair enough.

Fantastic work though isn't it?

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Johan Borg wrote:

PrebenR wrote:

PrebenR wrote:

Johan Borg wrote:

My DP2 does as you describe, on my DP2M the up arrow is a simple toggle between manual and auto focus, the limiter switch is in the menu. Unless there's another menu item to change that behavior...

There is.

On my DP1M and DP2M I can set in the menu to include limited focus when pressing the up arrow. So I think you should have another look at your menu I can check my camera later where the option was as I don't recall now.

The option is in the menu under the last blue menu page. The menu item is "AF limit Mode". Turn that On and you will have AF, AF Limit and MF when pressing the Up arrow.

Aha! Thanks, Preben! Must have been the first thing I turned off, focus speed is fine anyway for my needs.

I tink it is off by default actually. I had it on for some time, but I also turned it off.  Mainly because I almost never use the limited mode and because sometimes I had chosen this by mistake and struggled to focus close up before realising. But I guess it is more useful on the DP1M for landscape work or DP2M for street photography.

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