I think I may have FINALLY processed this shot right!!!!! C&C

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UtahManSir
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I think I may have FINALLY processed this shot right!!!!! C&C
4 months ago

Took this shot on vacation back in July. OK 3 bracketed shots really. It was my last trip before my K5 arrived, casual drive through with my wife to spots she had not been before.

Here was my first stab:

I felt this lacked a certain amount of foreground detail, and the sky was nowhere close to what I hoped.

Second Try:

A bit of overshoot here, foreground too blue and sky a little... overcooked.

Final and hopefully best try:

I think I like this more muted version with more detail in the foreground and better color balance.

What did I do differently?

I went back to my RAW files, and ran them through ACR: corrected the color balance a little bit, brought up the shadows in all 3 exposures to 100% and pulled the highlights down enough to eliminate all blown areas.

I then saved the files as 16bit TIFF, imported them into Photomatix and played for a little while until I liked it.

Which one do you like better?

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

I think you nailed it pretty well with the third attempt.  Looks very natural to me - comfortable to look at compared to the others.  Excellent work!

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

Nicely done, sometimes its hard to bring up shadows and still have it look natural, i don't know what natural looked like but i like the 3rd rendition

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

Personally, I quite like the unprocessed #1 version, where you can barely see the foreground.  That's just me.

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

The 2nd and third have the horrible cliché HDR look and to be honest are very weak images because of that, what would be better is to work with the first one brighten it overall, add some yellow to the foreground and then selectively dodge the foreground possibly even a gradient lightening on the foreground.

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

I like #3 best of these, Lloyd, but I think it's possible to do better.  I find that Photomatix tends to distort colours (there's an old item on Luminous Landscape about how to correct this but I can't find it on a quick look).  I can't remember if you use ACR in CS: if you do, I find it better to use this for HDR.  CS6/ACR7 is much improved from earlier versions.

This version is your #1 reworked through that later version.  Working from the 3 originals would be a lot easier.  Naturally, as I wasn't there I may be wrong about the foreground colours but these seem more natural to my eye.  I left the sky a bit high on saturation because it looks nicer even if not so true.

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DarylK wrote:

I think you nailed it pretty well with the third attempt. Looks very natural to me - comfortable to look at compared to the others. Excellent work!

Daryl

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Thanks Daryl! This has been a difficult image, I get multiple channels of feedback depending on the viewer and their preferences.

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MightyMike wrote:

Nicely done, sometimes its hard to bring up shadows and still have it look natural, i don't know what natural looked like but i like the 3rd rendition

Mike,

The 3rd is probably the closest to the original as my eye saw it, except for a small enhancement of color in the sky. My original intent was a gallery wrapped Metallic Print in a well lit room. I was hoping that the subtle detail in the dark areas would bloom in the light, but it just wasn't quite there.

Looking to do a canvas gallery wrap at this point and that is more what I am aiming for at this point.

Thanks for commenting!

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paulkienitz wrote:

Personally, I quite like the unprocessed #1 version, where you can barely see the foreground. That's just me.

Thanks Paul, I appreciate your candor!

As you can see in my reply to MightyMike. I was pleased with my original but the print wasn't what I hoped for.

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Cideway wrote:

The 2nd and third have the horrible cliché HDR look and to be honest are very weak images because of that, what would be better is to work with the first one brighten it overall, add some yellow to the foreground and then selectively dodge the foreground possibly even a gradient lightening on the foreground.

The 2nd I agree, that is why I started over. Like I said in my PM I am looking more at Canvas print right now, and I think this may look better on that medium than on the screen.

Will look out for your version!

Lloyd

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

For me the first one is the best. It takes some time to appreciate it, your eyes have to adjust (so to say).

For me no. 2 has an unnatural color balance, while no. 3 has an unnatural brightness.

(It's a dilemma that I face often... I want a wow! picture but tend to forget "credibility".)

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

Very nice scene - I appreciate your posting the other processing attempts.  I think #3 strikes a nice balance between foreground and dramatic sky.  If the foreground weren't so interesting, you might focus more on the formations directly in front of the sky, but the rock layers add a lot of interest to the shot for me...that is why I didn't like the darker look of image 1.

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I like 1 and 3, depending on what mood you're going for.

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I been trying Picturenaut 3.2  to no avail.

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

Yes sir, you´r right.

The 3° picture pop-ups from the frame.

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Fl_Gulfer wrote:

I been trying Picturenaut 3.2 to no avail.

I've used Picturenaut, it's not the easiest thing in the world to use, but it gives decent. Reasonably natural results
To be honest with the K5 I'm finding I don't need I need it less.

(a) In camera HDR works pretty well

(b) For many shots where I would once have resorted to HDR it is sufficient to pull the highlights down and the shadows up in lightroom.

When I'm working with the camera on a tripod I will often shoot an in-camera HDR (always saved as JPEG) and a set of 3 RAWs, I'll combine the RAWs with picturenaut and work on them singly in lightroom, there's not a to choose between them

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago
 

There is no single "right" for a shot like this. There are better / worse and they're a bit subjective so hardly surprising you've got a range of views.

For me too much of #1 is under exposed. I agree with your analysis of #2.

#3 is the best of them - at least to my eyes looking at my monitor. I've seen comments that the processing looks excessive to some eyes on their monitors; I don't agree - I might still try to bring the foreground up a little more (in Lightroom I'd be experimenting with the graduated filters to see if I can get the right sky and foreground exposure at the same time).

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In reply to UtahManSir, 4 months ago

Obviously it depends among other things on your monitor a lot here, but my personal preference is the first attempt. It does look underexposed though. I can't help wondering how it would look if you combined just the brightest of the three RAWs with the darkest, then simply blended between them as if you'd used a grad filter.

I suppose whether or not that would be successful depends on the EV difference, but it might avoid too much pulling up or shadows or pulling down the highlights.

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You should try the program called "enfuse"

It will give you something similar to tone mapping but without the HDR look.

There is a plugin available for Lightroom

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In reply to Gerry Winterbourne, 4 months ago

Gerry,

That is an interesting take on the foreground. I will let you take a whack at the originals if you want to... just PM me your email and I will send you the PEF's

lloyd

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