D600 vs. D800... which one is the most balanced camera?

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Theodoros Fotometria
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D600 vs. D800... which one is the most balanced camera?
Jan 1, 2013

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

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In reply to Theodoros Fotometria, Jan 2, 2013

Theodoros Fotometria wrote:

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

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Depends what is more important to you. The features of the D800 or the features of the D600. You could have 150 responses split evenly here. For me the D800 has more flexible files. I can go from 36 mp 14 bit RAW files to 9 mp 8bit Fine Small JPEGs with a lot of permutations inbetween. 20mp 5:4 RAW = awesome. But again, if someone is looking for weight savings only, the D600 is a better choice.

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In reply to Theodoros Fotometria, Jan 2, 2013

How well will the d600 balance with a 70-200 on it, flexing its plastic mount?

Thats the only thing I just can't accept about this otherwise fine performer.

Theodoros Fotometria wrote:

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

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How well will the d600 balance with a 70-200 on it, flexing its plastic mount?

Thats the only thing I just can't accept about this otherwise fine performer.

I would not say that the D600 has a plastic mount.

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Epic Light wrote:

How well will the d600 balance with a 70-200 on it, flexing its plastic mount?

Thats the only thing I just can't accept about this otherwise fine performer.

Theodoros Fotometria wrote:

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

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Who in their right mind would cantilever a 70-200/2.8 on ANY camera body???  That's what the tripod collar is for.

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How well will the d600 balance with a 70-200 on it, flexing its plastic mount?

I don't think that's the kind of balance he was talking about.

Thats the only thing I just can't accept about this otherwise fine performer.

Based on personal experience, or factual information that indeed confirms the D600 has a "plastic mount"? Please share evidence of either of these so that we can all be better informed.

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Theodoros Fotometria wrote:

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

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Same resolution for what same prints?

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100% more plastic around the mount than the d800.



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Epic Light wrote:

How well will the d600 balance with a 70-200 on it, flexing its plastic mount?

Thats the only thing I just can't accept about this otherwise fine performer.

Theodoros Fotometria wrote:

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

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Pretty strong plastic mount (300/2.8 = no problem)
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The mount isn't plastic. It's a metal mount. The part of the camera around the mount is plastic, but I've observed no flexing with a 300/2.8 hanging off the D600 (both hands on camera to review images). My 80-200/2.8 AF-S doesn't flex the mount either when it's hanging off the camera. I don't know how you managed to get the mount to flex...maybe an unsupported 600/4 or 800/5.6 would do it? But I don't have one of those to try out, and I don't know anyone in their right mind who would use a lens like that without support.

But if you do try to dangle a 600/4 or 800/5.6 off your camera without support, the D600's plastic construction will likely allow it to survive, while a D800 wouldn't. Plastic can recover after bending and flexing under stress, but metal can develop cracks.

Just by the way, no one shoots a 80-200/2.8 or 300/2.8 without supporting the lens with their left hand. I mean...you can...it's just extremely uncomfortable and unstable.

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In reply to Theodoros Fotometria, Jan 2, 2013

better AF sensor (D600's AF sensor is more suited for DX, and I actually use the D800 AF sensor's extremities), better low light AF performance, better handling for me, 36MP files are better for manipulations (crops lose less resolution), and others.

for others though, the D800 may have too many unneeded features and the D600 may be more balanced.

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Re: Pretty strong plastic mount (300/2.8 = no problem)
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As a former d7000 owner, openly question the validity of your claims.

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The mount isn't plastic. It's a metal mount. The part of the camera around the mount is plastic, but I've observed no flexing with a 300/2.8 hanging off the D600 (both hands on camera to review images). My 80-200/2.8 AF-S doesn't flex the mount either when it's hanging off the camera. I don't know how you managed to get the mount to flex...maybe an unsupported 600/4 or 800/5.6 would do it? But I don't have one of those to try out, and I don't know anyone in their right mind who would use a lens like that without support.

But if you do try to dangle a 600/4 or 800/5.6 off your camera without support, the D600's plastic construction will likely allow it to survive, while a D800 wouldn't. Plastic can recover after bending and flexing under stress, but metal can develop cracks.

Just by the way, no one shoots a 80-200/2.8 or 300/2.8 without supporting the lens with their left hand. I mean...you can...it's just extremely uncomfortable and unstable.

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IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

You could go both ways. I'm sure I could pick up either camera and do pretty much any task. I can cover a basketball game at 4 fps and get plenty of good shots (I'd miss some too, but who covers every play anyways?) I can make huge prints with 24 MP files (a billboard sized print from a 24 MP file might not be as sharp up close as one made from a 36 MP file, but who shoves their nose up to large prints anyways?) So...here's the politically correct answer: both are balanced cameras, and both can confidently handle any task.

But if you want my personal opinion on which is more balanced, I'd go with the D600. 24 MP is already a ton of resolution - enough to make large prints, and enough to retain usable files after heavy cropping. The D600's quieter shutter makes it more usable in quiet settings. It also shoots faster, and flushes the smaller files to the card faster. If I didn't know what opportunities would come up, I'd rather have a D600, because the higher framerate would be more likely to catch action (I don't like handling action with anything slower than 5 fps. 5.5 fps is barely fast enough), and the quieter shutter would make me less hesitant to shoot. The D800 seems more like a specialized camera for people who need as much resolution as they can get, at the expense of some other things (like speed).

Another note: the weight/size difference is immaterial. Once you pick up a DSLR, you're not going for light weight or size. Even a tiny DSLR like the Sony a230 is a handful to carry around. And if you're using high end FF glass, most of the weight comes from the lens anyways. The price difference also means little. Someone willing to go over $2000 would likely be willing to put in a few hundred extra dollars to get something that better fits his/her needs. If the D800 was a 18 or 16 MP camera that could shoot 8 fps, I'd have bought that instead of the D600.

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As a D600 owner, and one who has handled a D600 with a 300/2.8 and regularly uses it with a 80-200/2.8 AF-S, I question what you did to your D7000...

As a former d7000 owner, openly question the validity of your claims.

chlamchowder wrote:

The mount isn't plastic. It's a metal mount. The part of the camera around the mount is plastic, but I've observed no flexing with a 300/2.8 hanging off the D600 (both hands on camera to review images). My 80-200/2.8 AF-S doesn't flex the mount either when it's hanging off the camera. I don't know how you managed to get the mount to flex...maybe an unsupported 600/4 or 800/5.6 would do it? But I don't have one of those to try out, and I don't know anyone in their right mind who would use a lens like that without support.

But if you do try to dangle a 600/4 or 800/5.6 off your camera without support, the D600's plastic construction will likely allow it to survive, while a D800 wouldn't. Plastic can recover after bending and flexing under stress, but metal can develop cracks.

Just by the way, no one shoots a 80-200/2.8 or 300/2.8 without supporting the lens with their left hand. I mean...you can...it's just extremely uncomfortable and unstable.

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Theodoros Fotometria wrote:

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

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Same resolution for what same prints?

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Same ..."visible resolution", ....please read what is written!

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So does a Kodak DCS 100, for a small enough print.

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I had the D600, like it very much, good results, but due to issue of oily spots and smears and I didn't want to wait to have it fixed, so I returned it with full refund.  I decided on the D800, I very quickly notice a big difference in many area, so much so, I wouldn't go back to the D600.  I used the 28-300mm lens on both camera.  I found, it work a lot better on the D800 in many areas. I haven't yet notice any short comings on the D800.  Some quirks mention by some, wasn't a quirk for me or negative.  It what you want out of the camera and whether it can grow with you as your expertise and skills improve.  If the camera only meets your skills and no room to grow, you probably pick the wrong camera.

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Theodoros Fotometria wrote:

IQ-wise they bare almost the same DR, the same noise performance for equal size prints, ...even the same visible resolution for the same prints... D600 is faster and cheaper, D800 is better build and with more functions... So which one is more balanced?

It just depends on how you define balance, and how you prioritise the various attributes of the camera. It is a mettre of presonal subjective preferences.

I think it would be futile to seek an absolute truth in this matter.

There will be lots of subjective individual assessments, and they will all be true. You have your own views and others have their own. They are all valid and perfectly good reasons.

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I very quickly notice a big difference in many area, so much so, I wouldn't go back to the D600. I used the 28-300mm lens on both camera. I found, it work a lot better on the D800 in many areas.

Can you be more specific...?

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eNo wrote:

Epic Light wrote:

How well will the d600 balance with a 70-200 on it, flexing its plastic mount?

I don't think that's the kind of balance he was talking about.

"Balanced camera" refers to electronics/body/functions ....balance, as this is perceived by the user.

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I have no problem using my 70-200mm 2.8VRII on it, the plastic does not flex. Nor does it when mounting the Sigma 150-500mm, so I doubt it will be an issue. I haven't heard of a D7000 where the plastic mount has failed, so I don't think this should be an issue at all. But nevertheless I always support my lenses when shooting, it gives the best comfort anyways. Should it crack, which i doubt, i would recon a fair priced repair.

When I decided between the D600 and the D800 i made a pro/con list for each camera and rated them from 0 to 5 (0=Non importance, 1= nice,5=need). I came up with a list where the only critical issue was the missing 100% zoom on the ok button in preview mode. All other features was none important or nice to have. Then I decided that it couldn't justify the extra price .... but thats based on my oppinion and needs.

Now having used it for a couple of weeks i am pretty sure i made the correct choice, IQ is stunning and it handles very well. I can't think of a situation it can't photograph, but maybe in some situations there is a more convenient way to do it with the D800. I am pretty sure that whats limiting the D600 is actually the person behind it, or if paired with cheap low class lenses. Having said that the D800 is also a very very impressive camera, but i still can't justify cashing out the price difference between the two.

It all comes down to your usage pattern and personal preferences. Either camera delivers in terms of image quality!

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