Simple RAW processing - OK?

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Dec 31, 2012

I have access to PhotoShop CS5.1, which doesn't recognise RAW files from my OMD E-M5.

I've been opening them in Olympus Viewer 2, checking white balance, saving them as TIFF files, and then opening in PS.

It's my understanding I'm not losing data this way so PS has full information to work with, is this correct?

And bearing in mind I'm not drastically altering images in PS, is this a reasonable way to go about processing Olumpus ORF files from the OMD?

Any advice welcome.

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Rens wrote:

I have access to PhotoShop CS5.1, which doesn't recognise RAW files from my OMD E-M5.

I've been opening them in Olympus Viewer 2, checking white balance, saving them as TIFF files, and then opening in PS.

It's my understanding I'm not losing data this way so PS has full information to work with, is this correct?

And bearing in mind I'm not drastically altering images in PS, is this a reasonable way to go about processing Olumpus ORF files from the OMD?

Any advice welcome.

Why not just convert the EM5 files to DNG and work on them directly?

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CS5.1 and ACR 6.7 does recognize .ORF files.

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Why not just convert the EM5 files to DNG and work on them directly?

OK, how do I do this?

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CS5.1 and ACR 6.7 does recognize .ORF files.

I get a box telling me 'could not complete your request because the file appears to be from a camera model which is not supported by the installed version of Camera Raw'.

It recognised ORF files from my E3 a while ago, but not those from the OMD.

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Rens wrote:

Big Ga wrote:

Why not just convert the EM5 files to DNG and work on them directly?

OK, how do I do this?

Download and extract the latest Adobe DNG Converter 7.3 here:

For Windows: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5519

For Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5518

Notes: The DNG Converter is a stand-alone executable file. It will convert all of the RAW image files that exist within the folder that you select for conversion - so make a unique folder in which to place the RAW image-files that you want to convert to DNG format.

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Rens wrote:

Big Ga wrote:

Why not just convert the EM5 files to DNG and work on them directly?

OK, how do I do this?

google adobe DNG converter.

Download the latest (free) one.

Just run it - it will be fairly self explanatory. Point to a directory of your ORF files, it will then produce DNG versions (with the same filename). These will then directly be able to be opened using CS5/Bridge/ACR etc

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Rens wrote:

jcharity wrote:

CS5.1 and ACR 6.7 does recognize .ORF files.

I get a box telling me 'could not complete your request because the file appears to be from a camera model which is not supported by the installed version of Camera Raw'.

It recognised ORF files from my E3 a while ago, but not those from the OMD.

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Make sure you have the Adobe Camera Raw 6.7 update. It works fine for my .ORF files.

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Rens wrote:

jcharity wrote:

CS5.1 and ACR 6.7 does recognize .ORF files.

I get a box telling me 'could not complete your request because the file appears to be from a camera model which is not supported by the installed version of Camera Raw'.

It recognised ORF files from my E3 a while ago, but not those from the OMD.

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Make sure you have the Adobe Camera Raw 6.7 update. It works fine for my .ORF files.

OM-D

CS5 won't work with the newest cameras. The work around is to convert those files into dng files with the last version of the free Adobe dng converter (look iin to Detail man's post for the link.

After that, CS5 will be able to open them with the 6.7 version of Adobe Raw Converter. You won't get the ast improvements which Adobe has made to the converter however. The seventh version handles highlights better IMO and is worth it. However I didn't update CS5 (too much money for wthat you get), but I updated from LR3.6 to LR4 : well worth the upgrade price in this case. I lost 100% compatibility with PS, but not such a big deal : I can just export a 16 bits tif to CS5 when needed.

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Just shoot JPEG superfine. You're not gaining anything other then more work by shooting RAW and using the Olympus software then bringing it into PS.

If you tweak your JPEG settings in the EM5 (or EPL5) you'll get more dynamic range from JPEGs then you would from RAW (baseline settings) in any Adobe program.

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Rens wrote:

I have access to PhotoShop CS5.1, which doesn't recognise RAW files from my OMD E-M5.

I've been opening them in Olympus Viewer 2, checking white balance, saving them as TIFF files, and then opening in PS.

It's my understanding I'm not losing data this way so PS has full information to work with, is this correct?

And bearing in mind I'm not drastically altering images in PS, is this a reasonable way to go about processing Olumpus ORF files from the OMD?

Any advice welcome.

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I shoot raw with the OMD E-M5.

I keep a version of PhotoShop CS5 on my computer.

I just opened various raw ORF files taken with my OMD E-M5 with no problems whatsever.

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Rens wrote:

I have access to PhotoShop CS5.1, which doesn't recognise RAW files from my OMD E-M5.

I've been opening them in Olympus Viewer 2, checking white balance, saving them as TIFF files, and then opening in PS.

It's my understanding I'm not losing data this way so PS has full information to work with, is this correct?

And bearing in mind I'm not drastically altering images in PS, is this a reasonable way to go about processing Olumpus ORF files from the OMD?

Any advice welcome.

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I shoot raw with the OMD E-M5.

I keep a version of PhotoShop CS5 on my computer.

I just opened various raw ORF files taken with my OMD E-M5 with no problems whatsever.

I agree with you. I have both CS5 and CS6. Both work just fine on my .ORF files. I have an OM-D. I really don't know why a few are having problems?

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jcharity wrote:

tom60634 wrote:

Rens wrote:

I have access to PhotoShop CS5.1, which doesn't recognise RAW files from my OMD E-M5.

I've been opening them in Olympus Viewer 2, checking white balance, saving them as TIFF files, and then opening in PS.

It's my understanding I'm not losing data this way so PS has full information to work with, is this correct?

And bearing in mind I'm not drastically altering images in PS, is this a reasonable way to go about processing Olumpus ORF files from the OMD?

Any advice welcome.

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I shoot raw with the OMD E-M5.

I keep a version of PhotoShop CS5 on my computer.

I just opened various raw ORF files taken with my OMD E-M5 with no problems whatsever.

I agree with you. I have both CS5 and CS6. Both work just fine on my .ORF files. I have an OM-D. I really don't know why a few are having problems?

Evidently, the OP does not have the final release of ACR 6.7 (which does support E-M5 ORF RAWs, and runs on PS 5.x). It is the only version of ACR for which that is the case. Download it here:

Windows: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5371

Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5370

Problem solved, then. No Adobe DNG Converter required ...

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Evidently, the OP does not have the final release of ACR 6.7 (which does support E-M5 ORF RAWs, and runs on PS 5.x). It is the only version of ACR for which that is the case. Download it here:

Windows: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5371

Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5370

Problem solved, then. No Adobe DNG Converter required ...

This sounds a much neater soloution than a dedicated to put files into before converting.  I'll check it out.

In the meantime, apart from any inconvenience, am I losing IQ by opening in Olympus viewer 2 and saving as TIFFs?

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ACR 6.7 will open OMD ORF files directly and works with CS5. No need to convert to DNG.

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Rens wrote:

Detail Man wrote:


Evidently, the OP does not have the final release of ACR 6.7 (which does support E-M5 ORF RAWs, and runs on PS 5.x). It is the only version of ACR for which that is the case. Download it here:

Windows: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5371

Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5370

Problem solved, then. No Adobe DNG Converter required ...

This sounds a much neater soloution than a dedicated to put files into before converting. I'll check it out.

In the meantime, apart from any inconvenience, am I losing IQ by opening in Olympus viewer 2 and saving as TIFFs?

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I don't 'think' so..and you probably are getting fairly accurate color, since some raw converters have quite a variance in that regard...or at least 'had' the last time I tested a few basic ones. But it's a lot easier to open them in PS with the latest ACR if you can, which it looks like you can.

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Thanks to everyone who has offered advice.

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Just pick up Light Room? You can get it on sale (or education discount) for under $100 and it does so much; catalog, print, slideshow, edit, convert, support plugins, etc. A much easier to use application than PS and you can easily move photo's back and forth between LR and CS if you need to do major editing.

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Rens wrote:

Detail Man wrote:

Evidently, the OP does not have the final release of ACR 6.7 (which does support E-M5 ORF RAWs, and runs on PS 5.x). It is the only version of ACR for which that is the case. Download it here:

Windows: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5371

Mac: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=5370

Problem solved, then. No Adobe DNG Converter required ...

This sounds a much neater soloution than a dedicated to put files into before converting. I'll check it out.

Download, install, and you are done ! The plug-in is free of charge.

In the meantime, apart from any inconvenience, am I losing IQ by opening in Olympus viewer 2 and saving as TIFFs?

I don't use Olympus Viewer 2. The answer depends upon the quality of de-mosaicing, any smoothing/sharpening that may occure (pre or post de-mosaicing), and what the application may do to the image in terms of RGB tone-curve transfer-functions prior to exporting as a (16-bit, I presume) TIF image-file.

The answer also depends on how well PS 5.x does with (16-bit, I presume) TIFs relative to how it would do with ACR 6.7 installed processing the RAWs.

Another thing to be aware of is that the efficacy and quality of LR-3.x/ACR-6.x NR (particularly the Color NR) is notably better when processing RAWs than it is when processing 16-bit TIFs (because at least parts of the NR processing appear to occur on a RAW, pre-demosaicing level).

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Another thing to be aware of is that the efficacy and quality of LR-3.x/ACR-6.x NR (particularly the Color NR) is notably better when processing RAWs than it is when processing 16-bit TIFs (because at least parts of the NR processing appear to occur on a RAW, pre-demosaicing level).

This answers my question, thanks.

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