First print with my R2000

It took me about 1/2 hour to set it up with the inks.

I hooked up the printer to my network for my Mac, I added the r2000 and it did the Apple updater which downloaded the latest software. I was looking for a test print, I could not find it so I went to photo paper right away.

I opened up photoshop and a ready to go 8x10 which had a dpi setting of 300, I used my Matte HP Premium Plus 8.5x11 paper and printed it using premium presentation matte setting and the output..Photo, I guess that is the lower quality. I tried those first to see what happens.

Wow it came out great on that paper. Looks exactly as on my screen. I am surprised the HP works.

Not sure about the Glossy. Joe says no way Jose'

I guess I could try going to the better matte paper setting and output the Best setting so see if it improves.

I just printed a pic with the HP glossy premium plus for giggles. The pictures came out fine but there was very little sheen to the picture. I have a great picture from my HP 7960 and its definitely glossy with lots of sharpness and detail. The images from the r2000 do not have the pop that the HP has using this paper. Also I notice they are a touch more yellow than the HP.

Well I would use other paper but I dont have any yet.

Waiting for some Red River sample paper to come.

I dont really want to go to Staples and get some Epson paper but I just might.

Just make sure to have the GLOSS Optimizer Option turn un to AUTO or FULL!

HP glossy has a different coating than papers intended for Epson inks.

Glad to hear you have gotten the R2000 up and running.

The fun has just begun!

I just went and bought some Epsom ultra premium glossy . Still getting a slight yellow tint.

in the PS box , printer manages colors, perceptual and black point on?

should I get a profile for this paper?

so far the print from my hp beats the Epsom, it is a 8 color printer.

Not a happy camper

The profile should have installed with the driver.

Regarding Perceptual rendering, Relative Colorimetric is usually better unless you have out-of-gamut colors.

Your HP was a dye printer, right?  Glossy is the one type of print where a dye printer will almost always do better.  The R2000 should come very, very close, however.  And when you start using art papers, the superiority of pigments should become aparent.

I can understand that there might not be the same pop as a dye ink printer but I see a Los of definition a d some depth.

There is more detail in the girls sweater and the wood grain behind her. Plus there is a tad more yellow tint.

b&w print is just ok

What software are you pinting from? Tell me what software you are using and I will produce video specifically fro your SW and the R2000.

For example if I print out of Photoshop, when I get to the PS printing module, I choose Let photoshop handle color. Then I choose Perceptual and Black point compensation. Then in the drop down meny choose your R2000 profile for the Epson Glossy paper you are printing to.

Now go to the R2000 prefferences and choose the paper type to match youor paper. Size and feed mode. Then choose quality I go to the quality options and choose 5 and full Gloss if I am printing to papers that use Gloss Op.

Turn Off color management in the driver in the color options section.

Print a standard image as Bob Petruska has suggested. Download it and DO NOT edit it at all.

If you try to edit it so it "LOOKS" good on your monitor ( which may be still OFF ) it WILL had a color cast.

If the standard image looks neutral after following theese intructions but does not look neutral on your monitor then your monitor is not porperly calibrated.

So in summary:

Set up driver for Paper type ( Paper choise IS NOT an ICC profile - it just sets the proper settings for ink and platen  for the type of paper )

Paper Size and feed positione setting.

Turn off color management.

In printing Software ( Not the Driver ), Allow it to control Color.

Choose ICC or ICM Profile for the paper you are printing to.

Choose Rendering intent, I use Perceptual / Black point compensation ON.

Print!

That’s definitely not normal.

If you’re using the correct profile and printing in the best mode from exactly the same file, with borderless not enabled, I wouldn’t expect to see what you’re describing.  One thing you can try is to disable high-speed printing. That will allow the ink more time to dry between passes.  Also, make sure you don’t have smoothing enabled.

Epson printers seem to do best with 360 ppi files, by the way.  And make sure you're allowing sufficient time for the ink to cure.  Critical judgements should be postponed for 30 minutes or more, and the inks require overnight to fully cure.

All good advice.

Joe, you mentioned some different settings then I had set up .

i will give them a try.

Thanks, you too Phil

sort of bumbed right now,

You will allways obtain better results letting the APP control color and printing through the correct ICC profile. Then Turning OFF color control in the driver. The driver is only for choosing PAPER type, so the printer knows how much ink density to lay down. NOT how to map color values sent to it by the editing app. That is controlled by the APP and the IIC profile for the particular paper you are printing to. It also determines the thickness of the paper and sets the platen to the proper gap.

I have asked you to allow me to sent you samples so you KNOW exactly what to expect with your printer. Your goal would be to match what I send you.

The phrase " A picture is worth a thousand words " would really apply here!!!!!

I would even send you the actual image file I use on the samples and all settings so there would be no confusion as to how I got them printed. I would USE OEM inks and Papers indentical to yours.

Tell me exactly what Epson paper you are using.

You should then be able to get identical results. Let me do this for you. The last thing you want to do is to go around in circles trying to achieve a great print. Belieme me, I can produce a great print with ANY of my Epson and Canon printers, Dye of Pigment based, practically with my eyes closed. It's simply a matter of the correct basic settings.

You should not have to tweak anything if you are following the correct color manageging process.

Joe

With your HP printer you were probably using swellable polymer paper.  Swellable polymer paper does not give good results with pigment ink.  With swellable polymer paper, dye inks get absorbed into the paper.  With pigment ink the ink stays on the surface and doesn't look good.

Bob

I gave it a try.. I should have got some 4x6 paper this 8x10 is too much. oh well

I used Matte this time and print has changed tones a bit darker, warmer than the glossy.

I will try some 4x6 paper and experiment more on these settings

The prints look good as long as you dont compare..with my hp one.

I bought some epson ultra premium glossy. I also have tried the hp matte and glossy.

right now with the change settings I am getting a color shift from letting the printer decide colors.

seeing that you have both a MAC and Windows systems.

Did you run a nozzle check and a print head alignment?  If so, how do they look?

Bob P.

download from here....

http://www.outbackphoto.com/printinginsights/pi048/essay.html

Use this for all testing until we get you a great print. DO NOT EDIT THIS PHOTO.
Just load it into your photo editing software and print as is, it will print perfectly when you have
correct print settings.

Many of us replying to your post are familar with this test photo.

Bob P.

Yes, I have both,

I did not read in the instructions that I needed to do that.

I dont think that is my problem. Its getting the right setup.

I am going to look it over tomorrow.

I did just print out a B&W on 4x6 HP gloss paper using the perceptual and black point and it looks very good.



for each OS, so we need to know what OS and photo editing software you are using to give you the correct settings.

Bob P.

Well, you need to forget your HP and embrase the Pigment ink look and advantages.

Something is not right.

I can choose several paper types and as long as I tell photoshop to use the correct ICC profile for each paper, I get identical prints. No need to compare. Stop letting the driver control color.

Did you recieve the RR sampler yet? As soon as you do go ahead and download the ICC profiles. In windows you can just double click the profile and it will be installed without anything actually happening. Or you can right click it and click Install.

That looks good to me!