Nex-6 vs Nex-7 anyone own both can comment?

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Mr Ichiro Kitao, I support the call to upgrade the FZ50.
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Did you do a search?  You could start yet another feud.  Here's one thread http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50368221

Give war a chance.
Larry
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Comment on what, exactly?

IQ...personal thoughts on performance...yada...yada...

or the new saying everyone is driving me crazy with...ba-bla-ba-bla-bla-bla...

I shot both side by side and the Nex-7 is miles ahead of the Nex-6 from what i am seeing?

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Steve Huff stated that Nex 6 is the best NEX camera ever.

In terms of IQ only, def go with 6 because fewer megapix means better ISO performance

Mine specifically states someone who OWNS both....I don't want any SWAGS, I can make plenty of those on my own...lol...

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I will not only buy one but two no questions asked...

I have the 5n and love it, If I were to get another NEX, it very well would be the NEX 6.

The ONLY thing that I really don't like is the fact that it does not have a touch screen, but either does the NEX 7 !

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Well I've owned both, actually I had the 7 and now have the 6. I'm not a pixel peeping tom so IQ wise for me they both seem pretty close. It is pretty amazing the details captured with the 24MP camera when looking at the full size image. However I don't really think the 7's IQ is miles ahead of the 6, they're both pretty darn good during the daytime shots. People often say the 16MP has better ISO performance compared to the 24MP but I can't really tell the difference lol I'm just glad that the 6 now has up to ISO 3200 in auto ISO mode whereas the 7 only went up to 1600.

In my experience I do feel the 6 performed better than the 7 in low light AF wise. But then again, I didn't have the same lenses so can't really do a good comparison. I used the zeiss 24 lens on the 7 and now have the 18-55 and 55-210 lenses for the 6. Can't afford the zeiss right now I'm really curious to see how the 24 performs on the 6 with the updated lens firmware.

When I had the 7 + 24 combo, I had no problem using it during the day when there's plenty of light. When I used it in a low light place, like a dimly lit restaurant, the camera would not focus at all. When it finally did focus it focused on the background =/ That was what really threw me away from this camera. I used the 6 + 18-55 in the similar situations and it had no problem focusing no matter which focal length I was at.

So yea, that's my experience with these two cameras.

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This is a bit strange. My 1.8/24 does focus very well n the 7 any time of day or night. It is on par with 18-55. The 16/2.8 is really the AF beast from Sony it locks instantly in total darkness.

On the topic of the thread whatever the point of the thread is:

I used NEX-6 for a while. Ergonomics are better if you are coming from DSLR. It is about the same as Nikon DSLR minus the custom buttons.

Other than this there is the obvious difference 24MP produces outstanding resolution given a bit of care. For portraits at base ISO the 50/1.8 plus NEX-7 produces amazing results. (period) better than any other APS-C or 36x24 camera bar D800. NEX-6 simply does not play in this league.

Other than this NEX-6 is enhanced in about every aspect - button operation, functions, navigation, responsiveness. I particularly like that the navigation arrow keys remain in focus point selection while shooting.

I did not find any high ISO advantage to speak of.

Peaking works about the same.

Shooting in very dark spots worked about the same for me. I used 24/1.8 and 35/1.8 on both cameras under poor light - no difference. There were occasions I had to switch to MF on both cameras.

I like NEX-7 viewfinder more, seems smoother and better color. I have heard exactly the opposite opinion too, so not a big deal at all.

NEX-6 produced very good images with the 16-50. NEX-7 does not correct the weird optics of that lens and experience is suboptimal

and I doubt there would be a touch screen Nex FF too

mayb 2015:-D

Even though the build quality of the NEX 7 is technically better than the 6 I don't notice it at all when shooting both side by side.   I prefer the mode dial on the 6 but I miss the af/mf switch from the 7.  Not having to deal with the magenta issues with certain lenses (especially the 10-18) is a big reason I kept the 6 over the 7.  The NEX 7 resolution advantage particularly at base ISO is something to consider but for me 16mp is plenty most of the time and when I do print bigger I'm using my DSLR system anyway.  I'm still trying to get a feel for the PDAF performance with the 6.  I tested it some with the 18-55 lens yesterday in pretty good light and it seemed to work pretty good.

The one surprising advantage that I didn't even consider before is the 6's wifi and apps capability.   After using the free apps as well as the timelapse app I'm convinced that the gap between the two cameras will widen over time.  Even if technically possible I don't see Sony adding many new features/functions to the 7 but there will be more apps offered for the 6.  It seems like the upgraded 7 model has the potential be a really nice combination of both.

Oh boy...here we go again and with the 50/1.8 which is a great lens but not the most razor sharp lens to begin with. Imagination is one amazing thing.

Why did you feel compelled to write this? Is this weird trolling or what?

I am sharing personal experience. Yes 50/1.8 is sharp enough to see the difference 16 to 24MP. Sorry if you did not know this. It has aberrations but is not that soft http://slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/1451/cat/82

Further NEX-7 has weak AA filter and does produce more detail on low iso compared to say D600 with 50/1.8 or 85/1.8 G lenses - this is wide open. Again my personal experience.

I have compared images taken by other people with D800 and find that detail is very good plus excellent resolution. Unfortunately have not had the chance to test myself.

This is NOT true.

The overall ISO performance is mostly determined by the sensor size (assuming similar sensor technology) and not the pixel count.

If you pixel peep 1:1, you will definitely see higher noise in higher pixel count sensor - why? Because you are effectively looking at the image at much higher magnification than the lower pixel count sensor's image. If you output the images from both cameras to the same size (e.g. same 14" print or same size monitor at fit to screen zooming), you would notice that they have very similar noise level.

Proof? Check the low light ISO score DXO mark for both NEX-7 and NEX-6, they are almost identical.

th NEX-6 does not have the same sensor as the NEX-5n and neither does the NEX-5r - these cameras have a new sensor that has the same MP. but it is redesigned with phase detect pixels added and it is not as good at high ISO

look here at the DxoMark sensor tests and you will see that at high ISO the NEX-7 is almost exactly the same as the NEX-6 - also realize that the NEX-7 images are largr and when viewed or printed at the same size the NEX-7 will have smaller, less visable noise than the 6 because it isnt enlarged as much

As you can see the low light scores are almost identical and the & has better Dynamic range and better color depth - and as I said before the NEX-6 image has to be enlarged more to be the same size as the NEX-7 image and this will make noise and artifacts more noticable

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Thanks Ed that is just what I was seeing myself after some lowlight test last night, just wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy or missing something...I tested both with Sigma 19mm and the N7 came out ahead for me and the AF was as good or better than the Nex-6, actually the Focus Peaking indoors on the N7 worked much better/clearer giving it the IQ advantage due to the shots being in more accurate focus...

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I got my NEX7 about 3 months ago as lightweight alternative to 5D2 based kit. Like it so much that I got a NEX6 about a month ago as a 2nd body. Your decision is a very complicated one, since the 7 isn't a superset of the 6. There a lots of differences. The major ones that I know are:

1. 24 vs 16mp. You have to decide whether 24 is an advantage to you. For me, either is fine most of the time. But I'm glad one of my bodies has 24 for the times it is an advantage for: slightly more DR (after downsampled to equivalent res), more crop-ability when shooting loose framing due to having to shoot fast, 22% more resolution when need highest possible res, etc

2. 3 usable dials on 7 vs only one on the 6 (rear dial is mostly unused).

3. Mode dial on the 6. Some people prefer it. I shoot 95% Aperture Preferred, so it's not an advantage to me. In fact, I dislike that its setting can be changed (even if the camera is off) when the cam goes into/out of a bag or pocket.

4. Flash shoe difference. I'm no expert here, but my understanding is that for the time being, most of the flashes that work (fully auto) with the NEX use the style of shoe that's on the 7. OTOH, the "industry standard" shoe on the six may be better for people who use thing like radio triggers.

5. Magenta cast on the 7. As I've stated in other threads, it isn't that much of a problem for me with the 10-18 on the 7, but others feel differently.

6. No AF/MF button on the 6. I have the 7 configured so that button toggles between AF and MF, so I can AF then hit that button to lock in that focus setting. On the 6 I haven't been able to figure out how to do the same thing. The closest I've come is hit a button to get into the mode where you can choose between AF, DMF, and MF using the dial.

7. I haven't noticed a big difference in the viewfinders, others have.

8. I got the 6 with the 16-50, figuring I could use it on the 7. You can, but there is a 6 or 7 second delay after turning the camera off before the lens starts to retract. On the 6, it almost always starts to retract within a second (unless the cam is still writing to the card).

9. Apps on the 6. Not clear yet whether that will be a big advantage. (I had hoped that the ability to fire the camera from a phone via wifi would provide a way to fire a bracket sequence without touching the camera, but (per another thread) it doesn't.)

10. 6 has a USB charger, 7 comes with a stand-alone charger. I already bought a 2nd charger for my 7, so it doesn't matter to me. But if the 6's USB charger is all you have, you won't be able to charge one battery while using another to shoot. You can't even use the camera to review pictures while the battery charges, since the camera has to be OFF for the battery to charge.

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Karl

So in reality I would be better off shooting with a 4 megapixel camera for IQ and ISO performance than I would with a NEX 6 or 7 ??

I must be missing something there.

All the best.

Danny.

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What are you interested in? Other than the obvious.

I have both, as well as a 5N, and I can comment on specific questions?

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+1   Agrees with my results with the Nex-7 and 50mm f/1.8.