Anyone move from a D300 to a D600 or D800?

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Owen Heuston
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Anyone move from a D300 to a D600 or D800?
Dec 21, 2012

I have had a D300(and vertical grip) since 2008. In the past two years I have also used a Canon 5D MarkII. Anyway, I was interested in moving to a full frame Nikon and was wondering what you guys thought of the AF system on the D600, has does it compare to the D300? I have read that it is much like the D7000, only 39AF points and they are grouped much closer together than the D300's 51AF points. Also how is the D800 with fast moving subjects? I do shoot some sports, mainly though it is my fast moving children these days though. Thank you for your time.

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I made that move about 3 months ago.  I loved my D300. I had no issues with it. Honestly, the only difference I could see is the frame rate. I shoot sports too. The D300 is a little faster than the D800. (Disclaimer) I am not a Pro. The D800 has better Dynamic Range. I have printed large prints from both cameras. (16x20 and 16x24).  There is more detail in the D800 prints. That is probably do to the 36 megapixels. There more features on the D800 than the D300. I am discovering them little by little. Overall you will NOT by disappointed with the D800!! :-O!

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chris franklin wrote:

I made that move about 3 months ago. I loved my D300. I had no issues with it. Honestly, the only difference I could see is the frame rate. I shoot sports too. The D300 is a little faster than the D800. (Disclaimer) I am not a Pro. The D800 has better Dynamic Range. I have printed large prints from both cameras. (16x20 and 16x24). There is more detail in the D800 prints. That is probably do to the 36 megapixels. There more features on the D800 than the D300. I am discovering them little by little. Overall you will NOT by disappointed with the D800!! :-O!

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The D800 does look really nice. I have nothing agianst my D300, but as you mentioned the DR is trumped by both the D600 and D800. I was also interested in the video capabilities and the great low light abilities of the newer cameras.

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In reply to Owen Heuston, Dec 21, 2012

I still do not move from d300s while planning it. So I tryed in shop in same conditions and with same lenses D300s against D4, D800 and D600.

Autofocus on D600 is snappier and better than on D300s, especially in a challenging indoor light conditions. All three new fullframes focuses better and have better tracking with less delays and more precisely.

But I prefer D4, because of it responsivity. D600 has substantially smaller buffer and D800 writes his buffer to average CF forever. So I collect money...

So for good light d300s is enough for reportage style shooting, but indoors D600 or D800 way better.

You loose AF area coverage but AF points smaller and more precise.

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Some point on D600 AF.

My 70-300 AF-S on 300mm already f/5.6

D300s have hard times to focus correctly in bad light at f/5.6 but D600 with ISO6400 focuses faster and fine.

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Some point on D600 AF.

My 70-300 AF-S on 300mm already f/5.6

D300s have hard times to focus correctly in bad light at f/5.6 but D600 with ISO6400 focuses faster and fine.

That is good to know. I imagine that my Sigma 70-200 F2.8 EX DG OS HSM would be much better in low light situations on the new cameras.

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I moved from a d300 to a d600. The AF performance is slightly better in my opinion with the D600. The D300 usually would hunt if shooting into near darkness, but the D600 is better at locking on. The main caveat? You absolutely cannot shoot in AF-A. AF-A is atrocious--causing the lens to hunt like crazy.

Instead, I shoot in AF-C with priority to focus and not shutter. This way, my keeper rate is pretty high. Overall, I'd say after shooting several hundred shots in low light conditions, the D600 is a winner.

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- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

- The D800's AF is a bit better than the D300's (which was pretty darn good).

- The D800's high ISO capabilities are 3 -4 stops better than the D300.  That alone might be worth the price of admission.

- The video is better on the D800 (if that means anything to you).

- The D300 has a higher frame rate.  Not sure how important that is to you.

- The 800 has a brighter viewfinder.

- The D300 had a much more reasonable grip - cheaper, stronger, faster and compatible with the D700.

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rgolub wrote:

- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

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I thought it was the size of the sensor (FF) not the pixel density that determined whether or not you'd lose the "reach" of DX?

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I went from a D300 to the D800 and I find the build quality of both these camera bodies to be very good, they both feel substantial in the hand and have a feel of quality. I picked up a D600 the other day and my first impression was "this feels cheap compared to the D300/800" I have also picked up and held Canon 5d II and III's and neither of these feel as substantial or the quality build of the D300/800 either. I know it's my opinion, but being a tool and die maker and now mechanical engineer and being around high end manufacturing my whole career, I have a pretty good feel for what quality is.

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BWhite wrote:

rgolub wrote:

- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

RG www.lostrange.com

I thought it was the size of the sensor (FF) not the pixel density that determined whether or not you'd lose the "reach" of DX?

I believe what he's trying to say is that if you crop a D800 image down to the size of a D300 you're not losing the reach of the D300. In other words, if you had shot the same image from the same distance with the same lens at the same focal length with the D300, the cropped D800 image would not lose resolution compared to the D300 image.

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Owen Heuston wrote:

I have had a D300(and vertical grip) since 2008. In the past two years I have also used a Canon 5D MarkII. Anyway, I was interested in moving to a full frame Nikon and was wondering what you guys thought of the AF system on the D600, has does it compare to the D300? I have read that it is much like the D7000, only 39AF points and they are grouped much closer together than the D300's 51AF points. Also how is the D800 with fast moving subjects? I do shoot some sports, mainly though it is my fast moving children these days though. Thank you for your time.

I had a D300s since 2009 and moved to D800. The D800 is nothing similar to the D7000, it is very similar to the D300s, only much better. Focus is faster and more accurate but the frame rate is lower. I always shot with the D300s in 14-bit mode, so for me the frame rate is higher now. Not that I care, since I mostly shoot in single shot mode.

I sold the D300s a week after I bought the D800 and not missing it at all.

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Kelly M Jones wrote:

BWhite wrote:

rgolub wrote:

- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

RG www.lostrange.com

I thought it was the size of the sensor (FF) not the pixel density that determined whether or not you'd lose the "reach" of DX?

I believe what he's trying to say is that if you crop a D800 image down to the size of a D300 you're not losing the reach of the D300. In other words, if you had shot the same image from the same distance with the same lens at the same focal length with the D300, the cropped D800 image would not lose resolution compared to the D300 image.

Quite the opposite, the DX cropped D800 image is 15MP, as opposed to the D300 which is only 12MP.

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- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

Actually, no. The pixel density of the D800 is close to the D7000, more than the D300.

- The D800's AF is a bit better than the D300's (which was pretty darn good).

It is considerably better and faster than the D300s, but yes, it was also very good.

- The D800's high ISO capabilities are 3 -4 stops better than the D300. That alone might be worth the price of admission.

- The video is better on the D800 (if that means anything to you).

The D300 had no video at all. It got introduced in the D300s, but it was just a joke.

- The D300 has a higher frame rate. Not sure how important that is to you.

Yes, frame rate is less, but in DX mode it is 5fps, so it is not that far from the D300, which has only 6fps without grip. The D800 has also a 1.2x crop mode which also has 5fps.

- The 800 has a brighter viewfinder.

Not sure about this at all.

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I had a D300 since 2008 and moved up to D800 three months ago.  No regrets whatsoever.  I still have my D300 and debating whether I should keep it or give it to my daughter.  I would like to use the D300 as a back up camera, but so far have had no need for a back up.  D800 is amazing and I am loving it more every time I use it.  Try the D800 and you will never go back.

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olyflyer wrote:

Kelly M Jones wrote:

BWhite wrote:

rgolub wrote:

- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

RG www.lostrange.com

I thought it was the size of the sensor (FF) not the pixel density that determined whether or not you'd lose the "reach" of DX?

I believe what he's trying to say is that if you crop a D800 image down to the size of a D300 you're not losing the reach of the D300. In other words, if you had shot the same image from the same distance with the same lens at the same focal length with the D300, the cropped D800 image would not lose resolution compared to the D300 image.

Quite the opposite, the DX cropped D800 image is 15MP, as opposed to the D300 which is only 12MP.

I didn't say he would lose resolution, but maybe you were just emphasizing that fact.

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Kelly M Jones wrote:

olyflyer wrote:

Kelly M Jones wrote:

BWhite wrote:

rgolub wrote:

- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

RG www.lostrange.com

I thought it was the size of the sensor (FF) not the pixel density that determined whether or not you'd lose the "reach" of DX?

I believe what he's trying to say is that if you crop a D800 image down to the size of a D300 you're not losing the reach of the D300. In other words, if you had shot the same image from the same distance with the same lens at the same focal length with the D300, the cropped D800 image would not lose resolution compared to the D300 image.

Quite the opposite, the DX cropped D800 image is 15MP, as opposed to the D300 which is only 12MP.

I didn't say he would lose resolution, but maybe you were just emphasizing that fact.

You said: "the cropped D800 image would not lose resolution compared to the D300 image."

...which is of course true, and quite the opposite, compared to the D300 you actually GAIN resolution, not lose, if you use a D800 in DX mode since you get 15MP and not 12.

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Doctor Wowz wrote:

I moved from a d300 to a d600. The AF performance is slightly better in my opinion with the D600. The D300 usually would hunt if shooting into near darkness, but the D600 is better at locking on. The main caveat? You absolutely cannot shoot in AF-A. AF-A is atrocious--causing the lens to hunt like crazy.

Instead, I shoot in AF-C with priority to focus and not shutter. This way, my keeper rate is pretty high. Overall, I'd say after shooting several hundred shots in low light conditions, the D600 is a winner.

That is good to know. I mainly use AF-C with D300 anyway.

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rgolub wrote:

- The pixel density between the D800 and the D300 is pretty close, so you don't lose the 'reach' of the DX sensor.

- The D800's AF is a bit better than the D300's (which was pretty darn good).

- The D800's high ISO capabilities are 3 -4 stops better than the D300. That alone might be worth the price of admission.

- The video is better on the D800 (if that means anything to you).

- The D300 has a higher frame rate. Not sure how important that is to you.

- The 800 has a brighter viewfinder.

- The D300 had a much more reasonable grip - cheaper, stronger, faster and compatible with the D700.

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The framerate is not that important, as long as the AF is fast I imagine I do not have to have tons of shots as long as the action shots I do get are in focus.

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Gazphotos wrote:

I went from a D300 to the D800 and I find the build quality of both these camera bodies to be very good, they both feel substantial in the hand and have a feel of quality. I picked up a D600 the other day and my first impression was "this feels cheap compared to the D300/800" I have also picked up and held Canon 5d II and III's and neither of these feel as substantial or the quality build of the D300/800 either. I know it's my opinion, but being a tool and die maker and now mechanical engineer and being around high end manufacturing my whole career, I have a pretty good feel for what quality is.

You know, I think you are right about the feel of the D600.  I went to the Costco in Nashville this morning and I finally got to handle a D600. My first impression was, wow I do not like all the controls on top of each other, have two dials on top of each other. I am used to a more spread out layout like the D300. I also thought that the D600 felt really dominutive and not as well contructed as the D300. I have not held a D800, but would hope it handles better, at least for me. I also use a 5D Mark II sometimes and agree that it dies not feel substantial like the D300.

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