GH3 = Mega PDR test (all ISOs, new results, D800 lost its crown, The Holy Grail is found............

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here we go =

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You have captured well the level of "spacey tinkles" essential for a frothy, fastly filling thread ...

But ... http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR.htm#OM-D%20E-M5,Ideal_4/3,D800

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Detail Man wrote:

You have captured well the level of "spacey tinkles" essential for a frothy, fastly filling thread ...

But ... http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR.htm#OM-D%20E-M5,Ideal_4/3,D800

heh...well said.

Gets popcorn

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average of 3 series, just to make it more smoooooooooth :

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

average of 3 series, just to make it more smoooooooooth :

what website does this graph come from? I just wanted to check comparing it to some other cameras.

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Dphotog wrote:

what website does this graph come from? I just wanted to check comparing it to some other cameras.

Bill Claff did not yet upload GH3 data, so you have to live w/ my image for now and then comparing GH3/EM5 and other cameras on his site does not take into account "measured" (per DxOMark) ISOs... his site contains "nominal" (per manufacturer) ISOs, unfortunately

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All Hail the DMC-GH3 !
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The Matsushita Mothership has landed upon Mount Olympus, and Photonic Armaggedon is nigh !

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DM, I promise to beautify the next graph with your avatar !

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

average of 3 series, just to make it more smoooooooooth :

D800? Crown? That of course belonged and still belongs to my own personal E-M5. 9.27 at ISO 200. and 8.78 at 400, just to take a few pertinent examples. See here for the full story (select OM-D E-M5 in the menu to the right):

http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/Charts/PDR.htm#OM-D%20E-M5,Ideal_4/3

The D800 trails those values of course, if, as we should according to the principles of equivalence, we compare at the same DoF rather than the same ISO.

But your new GH3 curve looks slightly better than the prior version you showed us:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50410553

What accounts for the difference?

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where is a sense of humor in this forum ?!

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Anders W wrote:

But your new GH3 curve looks slightly better than the prior version you showed us... What accounts for the difference?

O75/1.8 instead of P45/2.8 macro

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Dphotog wrote:

what website does this graph come from? I just wanted to check comparing it to some other cameras.

Bill Claff did not yet upload GH3 data, so you have to live w/ my image for now and then comparing GH3/EM5 and other cameras on his site does not take into account "measured" (per DxOMark) ISOs... his site contains "nominal" (per manufacturer) ISOs, unfortunately

please correct me if I am wrong but
Im presuming DoF is made equivalent on these ISO expectations?

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Detail Man wrote:

The Matsushita Mothership has landed upon Mount Olympus, and Photonic Armaggedon is nigh !

hahaha.....funny....well, actually....im headed for an underground bunker.......bombs away

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Rriley wrote:

exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Dphotog wrote:

what website does this graph come from? I just wanted to check comparing it to some other cameras.

Bill Claff did not yet upload GH3 data, so you have to live w/ my image for now and then comparing GH3/EM5 and other cameras on his site does not take into account "measured" (per DxOMark) ISOs... his site contains "nominal" (per manufacturer) ISOs, unfortunately

please correct me if I am wrong but
Im presuming DoF is made equivalent on these ISO expectations?

My definition of Photographic Dynamic Range is a low endpoint with an SNR of 20 when adjusted for the appropriate Circle Of Confusion (COC) for the sensor.

http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/GeneralTopics/Sensors_&_Raw/Sensor_Analysis_Primer/Engineering_and_Photographic_Dynamic_Range.htm

So, knowing what you know about equivalence, what, then, is your answer to your own question ?

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Detail Man wrote:

Rriley wrote:

exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Dphotog wrote:

what website does this graph come from? I just wanted to check comparing it to some other cameras.

Bill Claff did not yet upload GH3 data, so you have to live w/ my image for now and then comparing GH3/EM5 and other cameras on his site does not take into account "measured" (per DxOMark) ISOs... his site contains "nominal" (per manufacturer) ISOs, unfortunately

please correct me if I am wrong but
Im presuming DoF is made equivalent on these ISO expectations?

My definition of Photographic Dynamic Range is a low endpoint with an SNR of 20 when adjusted for the appropriate Circle Of Confusion (COC) for the sensor.

since you begin with 'My definition' we can pretty well halt right there

Im familiar with Claff's previous works, and I am aware that this data isnt his but follows his outline
the question is framed on the data set as it appears in the chart the Op presented,
and as Anders alluded earlier

http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/GeneralTopics/Sensors_&_Raw/Sensor_Analysis_Primer/Engineering_and_Photographic_Dynamic_Range.htm

So, knowing what you know about equivalence, what, then, is your answer to your own question ?

well I know what I think, now I know what you think, but what I want to know is are equivalent principles taken into account on these ISO expectations that appear in the chart ?
whateverittakes

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Rriley wrote:

exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Dphotog wrote:

what website does this graph come from? I just wanted to check comparing it to some other cameras.

Bill Claff did not yet upload GH3 data, so you have to live w/ my image for now and then comparing GH3/EM5 and other cameras on his site does not take into account "measured" (per DxOMark) ISOs... his site contains "nominal" (per manufacturer) ISOs, unfortunately

please correct me if I am wrong but
Im presuming DoF is made equivalent on these ISO expectations?

if you can rephrase your question for a hoi polloi ?

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Rriley wrote:

Detail Man wrote:

Rriley wrote:

exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Dphotog wrote:

what website does this graph come from? I just wanted to check comparing it to some other cameras.

Bill Claff did not yet upload GH3 data, so you have to live w/ my image for now and then comparing GH3/EM5 and other cameras on his site does not take into account "measured" (per DxOMark) ISOs... his site contains "nominal" (per manufacturer) ISOs, unfortunately

please correct me if I am wrong but
Im presuming DoF is made equivalent on these ISO expectations?

My definition of Photographic Dynamic Range is a low endpoint with an SNR of 20 when adjusted for the appropriate Circle Of Confusion (COC) for the sensor.

since you begin with 'My definition' we can pretty well halt right there

Correction: Bill Claff begins with "my definition" (if you read the text of his web-page linked to).

Im familiar with Claff's previous works, and I am aware that this data isnt his but follows his outline
the question is framed on the data set as it appears in the chart the Op presented,
and as Anders alluded earlier

http://home.comcast.net/~NikonD70/GeneralTopics/Sensors_&_Raw/Sensor_Analysis_Primer/Engineering_and_Photographic_Dynamic_Range.htm

So, knowing what you know about equivalence, what, then, is your answer to your own question ?

well I know what I think, ...

What do you think ?

... now I know what you think, ...

How would you know that ?

but what I want to know is are equivalent principles taken into account on these ISO expectations that appear in the chart ?
whateverittakes

What do you mean exactly by your use of the phrase "equivalent principles" ? Please explain clearly.

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Looks like the fiscal cliff

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

where is a sense of humor in this forum ?!

Always present. Isn't it?

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Anders W wrote:

But your new GH3 curve looks slightly better than the prior version you showed us... What accounts for the difference?

O75/1.8 instead of P45/2.8 macro

Aaah. I knew it. An Oly lens as a means of noise reduction on the Pany.

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