Source for OEM Canon Cartridges for the 9000 Mark ii?

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Dec 9, 2012

Just picked up the Canon 9000 Mark ii based on reading so many of your posts here.   Planning on picking up a second one.

I realize that Canon cartridges have a limited life for refills.  (I'm told only about five times.)

Question: Are there any good sources for blank/empty original Canon CLI-8 ink cartridges at affordable prices?  I think I saw one online somewhere where they charged about $45 for a set of eight empties. That's quite a bit it seems - and that's not including shipping.  And do I need to flush out the empties of the dried ink or is it OK to just refill right away using the German method?

I searched on ebay but am not sure if I had the correct search terms.

And for the bonus question....are Hobbicolors on ebay good quality ink for refilling the CLI-8 cartridges?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

MTMT

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MT wrote:

Just picked up the Canon 9000 Mark ii based on reading so many of your posts here. Planning on picking up a second one.

I realize that Canon cartridges have a limited life for refills. (I'm told only about five times.)

Question: Are there any good sources for blank/empty original Canon CLI-8 ink cartridges at affordable prices? I think I saw one online somewhere where they charged about $45 for a set of eight empties. That's quite a bit it seems - and that's not including shipping. And do I need to flush out the empties of the dried ink or is it OK to just refill right away using the German method?

I searched on ebay but am not sure if I had the correct search terms.

And for the bonus question....are Hobbicolors on ebay good quality ink for refilling the CLI-8 cartridges?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

MTMT

Ive had my 9000 MKII for 2 years and doing my own refills. I know some of my cartridges have been refilled well over five times. You can get empty OEM cartridges and ink here:

http://www.precisioncolors.com/index.html

PC inks are the closest match to Canon OEM inks. OCP inks cost even less and are very good. With OCP inks you will have to create profiles for each paper used. OCP ink is available here:

http://www.rjettek.com/#

The PC cartridges come with a removable plug, flushed and ready to refill. You will also need a chip resetter to do your own. I cant comment on Hobbicolors ink as I have no experience with there inks.

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Not true.

You will be able to refill your OEM carts almosrt indefinitely. Your printer will die before the carts do.

Trust me!

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jtoolman wrote:

Not true.

You will be able to refill your OEM carts almosrt indefinitely. Your printer will die before the carts do.

Trust me!

Please note that Bob Petruska and some others have reported a failure of some old carts to respond to the chip resetter. After about 25 refills in one case that was mentioned. Probably not necessary to keep multie spares of all the  cart colors esp. red, green, maybe black. But a few extras of the other Five which are refilled more frequently might be a good idea.

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I was only reffering to the physical cart itself.

You can always replace original OEM chip with an ARC. I have done that on a couple of sets myself.

The carts can and will last almost forever assuming no abuse of it takes place. It will certainly outlive the 9000MKII waste ink pads replacement message you will eventuallty get.

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jtoolman wrote:

The carts can and will last almost forever assuming no abuse of it takes place. It will certainly outlive the 9000MKII waste ink pads replacement message you will eventuallty get.

Can that be repaired economically?

Looking to possibly jump back into home printing, but only if I can find a model with good affordable aftermarket options.

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MT wrote:

Just picked up the Canon 9000 Mark ii based on reading so many of your posts here. Planning on picking up a second one.

I realize that Canon cartridges have a limited life for refills. (I'm told only about five times.)

Question: Are there any good sources for blank/empty original Canon CLI-8 ink cartridges at affordable prices? I think I saw one online somewhere where they charged about $45 for a set of eight empties. That's quite a bit it seems - and that's not including shipping. And do I need to flush out the empties of the dried ink or is it OK to just refill right away using the German method?

I searched on ebay but am not sure if I had the correct search terms.

And for the bonus question....are Hobbicolors on ebay good quality ink for refilling the CLI-8 cartridges?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

MTMT

Ive had my 9000 MKII for 2 years and doing my own refills. I know some of my cartridges have been refilled well over five times. You can get empty OEM cartridges and ink here:

http://www.precisioncolors.com/index.html

PC inks are the closest match to Canon OEM inks. OCP inks cost even less and are very good. With OCP inks you will have to create profiles for each paper used. OCP ink is available here:

http://www.rjettek.com/#

The PC cartridges come with a removable plug, flushed and ready to refill. You will also need a chip resetter to do your own. I cant comment on Hobbicolors ink as I have no experience with there inks.

Thank you for these links. Question, personally i have never purchased non original canon ink/cartridges. I just read the procedure on how to refill the cartridges, and it says that in case the provided white plastic plugs do not fit, then drill a 5/32" hole.

My question is this: When you drill don't pieces of plastic get into the container therefore clogging up or damaging the cartridge?? It sounds like it a bit less expensive to go thru this route, but it sure sounds like is a bit problematic to go thru all this. Do you guys run into problems here and there sometimes by doing this by yourselves? I guess some of you choose to do this, but at what cost really?

I am new to this, as i said i have always purchased the original ink, but i would sure like to SAVE money on the stupid expensive ink. At the same time i noticed that i also have to buy a chip resetter and battery for it? And since i have two different printers i guess i will have to buy two of those resetters? What is your opinion on this?

Thank you!

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I'm pretty sure the sponge mechanism makes the plastic shavings a non issue.  Cost savings is huge. Even after buying into the equipment setup.  Besides if photography is a hobby for you, you will probably find the redilling to be fun. You only need another chip resetter if you have another cartridge model. Never have a problem.

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rpenmanparker wrote:

I'm pretty sure the sponge mechanism makes the plastic shavings a non issue. Cost savings is huge. Even after buying into the equipment setup. Besides if photography is a hobby for you, you will probably find the redilling to be fun. You only need another chip resetter if you have another cartridge model. Never have a problem.

Thanks for your response. I am indeed interested in saving HUGE.

But, according to the procedure bellow, the drilling would have to be on the ink side not the sponge. Im i missing something?

http://www.precisioncolors.com/Canon%20instructions%20BCI%20Jan%202010.pdf

by the way, i haven't asked anybody yet, but how high is the quality of this ink?

1) Excellent

2)  just as good as the original.

3) "almost" as good as the original ink.

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There's a small slit that the ink flows from the tank side to the sponge side.  The sponge covers this slit so it acts a as a filter preventing the shavings from ever reaching the output port.

Also you don't need an "electric" drill to enlarge the hole to 5/32", just ream it by hand with a drill bit.  That way you intorduce very little, if any, shavings.

I hope that you are aware that you can buy reconditioned OEM CLI-8 cartridges from Precision Colors that are flushed, have the fill hole plug, and bottom clips, ready to go!

Bob P.

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Petruska wrote:

There's a small slit that the ink flows from the tank side to the sponge side. The sponge covers this slit so it acts a as a filter preventing the shavings from ever reaching the output port.

Also you don't need an "electric" drill to enlarge the hole to 5/32", just ream it by hand with a drill bit. That way you intorduce very little, if any, shavings.

I hope that you are aware that you can buy reconditioned OEM CLI-8 cartridges from Precision Colors that are flushed, have the fill hole plug, and bottom clips, ready to go!

Bob P.

No Petruska, i did not know. Do those cartridges come with a chip on them or do i have to remove them from the original ones, AND does that mean i would still need to buy the RESETTER to reset the little circuit board?

From my question above, how high of a quality is their ink??

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Yes, they come with the the OEM chip, yes, you need a resetter and they sell that also.

Precision Colors sells Image Specialists ink, this great ink matches the OEM ink color wise the best out of all the usual great 3rd party inks.  If you are not going to generate custom ICC profiles then this is probably the best ink to use, if you are going to produce your own custom ICC profiles then OCP ink from Rjettek is a great ink and will cost you about 30 cents per refill.  OCP needs the custom ICC profiles to match the OEM colors. I only use OCP anad have tried Image Specialist inks but just like the OCP better and I do generate my own custom ICC profiles.

http://www.rjettek.com/

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Yes, they come with the the OEM chip, yes, you need a resetter and they sell that also.

Precision Colors sells Image Specialists ink, this great ink matches the OEM ink color wise the best out of all the usual great 3rd party inks. If you are not going to generate custom ICC profiles then this is probably the best ink to use, if you are going to produce your own custom ICC profiles then OCP ink from Rjettek is a great ink and will cost you about 30 cents per refill. OCP needs the custom ICC profiles to match the OEM colors. I only use OCP anad have tried Image Specialist inks but just like the OCP better and I do generate my own custom ICC profiles.

http://www.rjettek.com/

Bob P.

So they come with a chip on them, but they are not reset already?  Doesn't make too much sense to me 

Now you are talking a completely different language to me.  What is "generate custom ICC profiles" ??  The only thing i do is select the type of paper that the printer drivers show, like glossy plus II or something.  I am in the process of buying more paper, like the 13x19 type, and i know there are different types, you got me completely lost now 

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Petruska wrote:

Yes, they come with the the OEM chip, yes, you need a resetter and they sell that also.

Precision Colors sells Image Specialists ink, this great ink matches the OEM ink color wise the best out of all the usual great 3rd party inks. If you are not going to generate custom ICC profiles then this is probably the best ink to use, if you are going to produce your own custom ICC profiles then OCP ink from Rjettek is a great ink and will cost you about 30 cents per refill. OCP needs the custom ICC profiles to match the OEM colors. I only use OCP anad have tried Image Specialist inks but just like the OCP better and I do generate my own custom ICC profiles.

http://www.rjettek.com/

Bob P.

So they come with a chip on them, but they are not reset already? Doesn't make too much sense to me

Now you are talking a completely different language to me. What is "generate custom ICC profiles" ?? The only thing i do is select the type of paper that the printer drivers show, like glossy plus II or something. I am in the process of buying more paper, like the 13x19 type, and i know there are different types, you got me completely lost now

I just spoke with Mike, from Prescision Colors.  Basically i don't need to know all this technical stuff about profiling for what i do, and i will need to buy one of those RESETTERS and i will be good to go.  Thank you for your input on this, i am looking forward in saving alot of money.

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bobh121 wrote:

MT wrote:

Just picked up the Canon 9000 Mark ii based on reading so many of your posts here. Planning on picking up a second one.

I realize that Canon cartridges have a limited life for refills. (I'm told only about five times.)

Question: Are there any good sources for blank/empty original Canon CLI-8 ink cartridges at affordable prices? I think I saw one online somewhere where they charged about $45 for a set of eight empties. That's quite a bit it seems - and that's not including shipping. And do I need to flush out the empties of the dried ink or is it OK to just refill right away using the German method?

I searched on ebay but am not sure if I had the correct search terms.

And for the bonus question....are Hobbicolors on ebay good quality ink for refilling the CLI-8 cartridges?

Thanks in advance for any assistance.

MTMT

Ive had my 9000 MKII for 2 years and doing my own refills. I know some of my cartridges have been refilled well over five times. You can get empty OEM cartridges and ink here:

http://www.precisioncolors.com/index.html

PC inks are the closest match to Canon OEM inks. OCP inks cost even less and are very good. With OCP inks you will have to create profiles for each paper used. OCP ink is available here:

http://www.rjettek.com/#

The PC cartridges come with a removable plug, flushed and ready to refill. You will also need a chip resetter to do your own. I cant comment on Hobbicolors ink as I have no experience with there inks.

Thank you for these links. Question, personally i have never purchased non original canon ink/cartridges. I just read the procedure on how to refill the cartridges, and it says that in case the provided white plastic plugs do not fit, then drill a 5/32" hole.

My question is this: When you drill don't pieces of plastic get into the container therefore clogging up or damaging the cartridge?? It sounds like it a bit less expensive to go thru this route, but it sure sounds like is a bit problematic to go thru all this. Do you guys run into problems here and there sometimes by doing this by yourselves? I guess some of you choose to do this, but at what cost really?

I am new to this, as i said i have always purchased the original ink, but i would sure like to SAVE money on the stupid expensive ink. At the same time i noticed that i also have to buy a chip resetter and battery for it? And since i have two different printers i guess i will have to buy two of those resetters? What is your opinion on this?

Thank you!

I remove the Factory refill BALL plug and replace it with a refill plug for Canon. No real need to drill.

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than others.  I have both sizes and the larger ones definitely need to have the hole reamed to 5/32" or they are extremely difficult to put in place.

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So they come with a chip on them, but they are not reset already? Doesn't make too much sense to me

Now you are talking a completely different language to me. What is "generate custom ICC profiles" ?? The only thing i do is select the type of paper that the printer drivers show, like glossy plus II or something. I am in the process of buying more paper, like the 13x19 type, and i know there are different types, you got me completely lost now

The chip will be reset but every time you refill the cartridge you need to reset the chip to allow the printer to sense a full cartridge. The chip counts the number of ink drops that were depensed and that is how the ink levels viewed on your monitor are determined. Once it triggers an empty cart you need to refill and reset the chip.

No 3rd party refill ink matches the OEM ink exactly. A lot of us 3rd party ink users around here generate our own custom ICC printer profiles to bring that mismatch of colors back towards matching the OEM ink colors. We use hardware/software packages such as the Xrite ColorMunki "Photo", which costs about $400-450. These profiles are used with photo editing/printing software (Photoshop, Lighttoom, Qimage, and others).

Image Specialists inks match the best without generating custom ICC printer profiles, but not perfectly. It depends how picky you are with your prints. If you are picky then you would need to generate custom profiles. $400 for a ColorMunki buys a lot of OEM ink so only you can dertmine if it is worth it or not.

Look up Jtooman's videos in his last few posts, they tell you all about the profiling.

Here's one for the PRO9000

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0N-jgaJY94

Bob P.

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When you drill don't pieces of plastic get into the container therefore clogging up or damaging the cartridge??

The turnings float, so they can't clog up anything.  At least that's what happens with my cartridges and my ink.  Your mileage may vary.

If they did sink, however, they could in principle impede flow into the sponge chamber, but I doubt if even that would be a significant problem.  And there's absolutely no way for the shavings to get into the print head.

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mistermejia wrote:

When you drill don't pieces of plastic get into the container therefore clogging up or damaging the cartridge??

The turnings float, so they can't clog up anything. At least that's what happens with my cartridges and my ink. Your mileage may vary.

If they did sink, however, they could in principle impede flow into the sponge chamber, but I doubt if even that would be a significant problem. And there's absolutely no way for the shavings to get into the print head.

For the techno-nerds among us let me specify that the plastic (polypropylene) that Canon CLI-8 cartridges is made of has a density of just about 0.90 as compared to the ink density of just over 1.0 (dissolved solids in mostly water at 1.0).  So the drill turnings do indeed float in the ink.

If you flush your carts to remove all traces of the OEM ink (not necessary but often done) as shown in some videos, drill out the hole first.  The water flush should carry the turnings out through the newly enlarged hole.

Robert

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First run though of an OEM I drill a hole in the ink cart's ball-fill area near the "PUSH" on the label. Drill size is about 3x the diameter of the syringe needles I bought to provide for some air release else they will leak out the bottom port that feeds the printer and make a big mess.  Too small will bubble a lot of ink out the fill area and make for a mess.

When I get around to refilling, I plug in some $3 heat glue gun from Beverly's Fabrics and Crafts to reseal the hole once I fill it with about 10ml of OCP ink from rjettek.com.  They also sell the orange caps that seal the bottom port tighter than the factory twist-off.  I used to tape the OEM twist-offs back on with 3M Scotch Tape, but these work better and faster.

Once filled, it will soak into the sponge so allow a few minutes for it to lower in the tank and refill up to about 3-4mm of the top of the tank, I put a blob of the hot glue over the hole to seal it up.  No leaks that way.  I've used the rubber plugs at times but they can get messy under your nails pulling them out and sometimes the leak (Store them in a Zip-Lock bag is recommended keeping separate bags for the colors, imho, of messes that can occur. Keeps them from drying out too.). Some will fit loose and then leak in the printer and fill the waste pad up quickly too.  So I favor the hot glue sealing approach for a better seal vs. plugs.

To refill the hot-glue blob tank, I slice off the blob with a single-edge razor blade and take an awl of small drill to the hole for the syringe again.  One ink place gave me a drill with the syringes with what looks like a plastic cork for a handle and it works, albeit it is quite large in size. Debris in the tanks is filtered by the sponge so no issue there.

I'll do several tanks at once, resetting the tanks too (I get once brief red flash, and then a solid red that I'll count to 3 and then take it off the resetter stand.), and use a separate syringe for all. Rinse when done with water and set aside to dry.  I'll rinse the tanks too under water and dry along with the syringes.  Unplug the glue gun and put it all away.

For 30 cents a refill against the $16 OEM ink tanks you can buy a ColorMunki Photo and be on your way to better printing. Watch for the annual x-rite rebate on the CM Photo too (about $35 to $50).  Their CM Designer is on rebate now but it's software is different than what you want for photos.

Good luck and keep the messes in the snk down too.

Mack

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