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Bob Tullis
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Thank you, Moderators
Dec 5, 2012

I know it's a controversial subject, but the recent moderation done was long overdue.    When a top poster's posts are more about defending their actions than general interactions and. . . . it gets to be rather unbearable.

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.   Again, thanks.

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

Respecting the copyrights of other posters is not only about basic human decency, it is a matter of the respecting of the legal rights of others. While I observe that there exists a practice on these forums of "quoting" a post containing an image(s) on the same thread as originally posted ...

... the occasional unauthorized publishing of any members DPR Gallery images outside of such a limited case - on the same thread where originally posted, and for specific purposes directly relevant to, and respectful of, the subject of the image(s) original posting by the copyright holder - has always disturbed and troubled me, both in principle as well as in observed practice.

It is my opinion that recognition of, and respect for, the copyrights of other posters is a basic and important element of a community that values it's own members, and in doing so, values integrity.

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

Bob Tullis wrote:

I know it's a controversial subject, but the recent moderation done was long overdue. When a top poster's posts are more about defending their actions than general interactions and. . . . it gets to be rather unbearable.

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. Again, thanks.

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Well said, Bob!  I am glad that someone took action, because I was about to leave the M43 forum until things settled.  And I have a thick skin!!

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Leethal
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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

Bob Tullis wrote:

I know it's a controversial subject, but the recent moderation done was long overdue. When a top poster's posts are more about defending their actions than general interactions and. . . . it gets to be rather unbearable.

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. Again, thanks.

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...Bob, NYC
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Bob, you are the clear mind in all this clutter.

I have this "top" poster and many others on my ignore list for this very reason!

Thanks for saying what many are thinking

Lee

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Detail Man, Dec 5, 2012

Detail Man wrote:

Respecting the copyrights of other posters is not only about basic human decency, it is a matter of the respecting of the legal rights of others. While I observe that there exists a practice on these forums of "quoting" a post containing an image(s) on the same thread as originally posted ...

... the occasional unauthorized publishing of any members DPR Gallery images outside of such a limited case - on the same thread where originally posted, and for specific purposes directly relevant to, and respectful of, the subject of the image(s) original posting by the copyright holder - has always disturbed and troubled me, both in principle as well as in observed practice.

It is my opinion that recognition of, and respect for, the copyrights of other posters is a basic and important element of a community that values it's own members, and in doing so, values integrity.

With all due respect, I just wanted to thank the Mods w/o going into more detail and rehashing of incidents or the character that spawned the action or the merits of moderation.

Onward, with respect for all the variants of circuitry we each carry on the ball atop our shoulders.  

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

And thank you Bob.

Let us all rededicate ourselves to increasing the S/N ratio and civility in this forum.

Personally, I hope that this time it is permanent.

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Bob Tullis
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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to SLOtographer, Dec 5, 2012

SLOtographer wrote:

Bob Tullis wrote:

I know it's a controversial subject, but the recent moderation done was long overdue. When a top poster's posts are more about defending their actions than general interactions and. . . . it gets to be rather unbearable.

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. Again, thanks.

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...Bob, NYC
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Well said, Bob! I am glad that someone took action, because I was about to leave the M43 forum until things settled. And I have a thick skin!!

I don't have anything more to say about this, but I will say with a last post on this matter that I've been determined not to be chased by the discomfort some bring to this gathering place - but lately I too was just sick of the disruptions, wanting to bail out permanently.      Hence the acknowledgement of appreciation.

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

thank you all and GOD BLESS

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

Bob Tullis wrote:

SLOtographer wrote:

Bob Tullis wrote:

I know it's a controversial subject, but the recent moderation done was long overdue. When a top poster's posts are more about defending their actions than general interactions and. . . . it gets to be rather unbearable.

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. Again, thanks.

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...Bob, NYC
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Well said, Bob! I am glad that someone took action, because I was about to leave the M43 forum until things settled. And I have a thick skin!!

I don't have anything more to say about this, but I will say with a last post on this matter that I've been determined not to be chased by the discomfort some bring to this gathering place - but lately I too was just sick of the disruptions, wanting to bail out permanently. Hence the acknowledgement of appreciation.

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...Bob, NYC
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Indeed! Upward and onward!

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to SLOtographer, Dec 5, 2012

SLOtographer wrote:

Bob Tullis wrote:

I know it's a controversial subject, but the recent moderation done was long overdue. When a top poster's posts are more about defending their actions than general interactions and. . . . it gets to be rather unbearable.

It's a tough job, but someone has to do it. Again, thanks.

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...Bob, NYC
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Well said, Bob! I am glad that someone took action, because I was about to leave the M43 forum until things settled. And I have a thick skin!!

I've participated in some wild west usenet groups, places where even a thick skin will get your feelings hurt.

I found that "Don't be easily annoyed, Don't be excessively annoying" is a good mindset to operate by even in a well moderated forum.

rd

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Detail Man, Dec 5, 2012

Detail Man wrote:

Respecting the copyrights of other posters is not only about basic human decency, it is a matter of the respecting of the legal rights of others. While I observe that there exists a practice on these forums of "quoting" a post containing an image(s) on the same thread as originally posted ...

... the occasional unauthorized publishing of any members DPR Gallery images outside of such a limited case - on the same thread where originally posted, and for specific purposes directly relevant to, and respectful of, the subject of the image(s) original posting by the copyright holder - has always disturbed and troubled me, both in principle as well as in observed practice.

It is my opinion that recognition of, and respect for, the copyrights of other posters is a basic and important element of a community that values it's own members, and in doing so, values integrity.

In one of the threads I made a point about attribution.
Even in the absence of proper (legal) attribution some (any) reference to the origin goes a long way toward good intention.

rd

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Breaking Rule 2
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

OK, this thread is also in danger of deletion and/or banning....

Rule 2. Posts discussing moderator actions are not allowed and will be deleted.

But before we all get banned I would also like to say thank you for banning you-know-who.

After he comes back from his regular sojourn at some metal health clinic he seems quite useful and helpful, but slowly and steadily he grows into some "must reply to everything" monster and that gets totally annoying to all concerned.

So all I can say is that I hope after his next release that he does keep up with the proper medication and responds to suggestions to keep it under control. But we all know how that works out......

Regards....... Guy

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In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012
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Re: Matters of Copyrights
In reply to RedDog Steve, Dec 5, 2012

RedDog Steve wrote:

Detail Man wrote:

Respecting the copyrights of other posters is not only about basic human decency, it is a matter of the respecting of the legal rights of others. While I observe that there exists a practice on these forums of "quoting" a post containing an image(s) on the same thread as originally posted ...

... the occasional unauthorized publishing of any members DPR Gallery images outside of such a limited case - on the same thread where originally posted, and for specific purposes directly relevant to, and respectful of, the subject of the image(s) original posting by the copyright holder - has always disturbed and troubled me, both in principle as well as in observed practice.

It is my opinion that recognition of, and respect for, the copyrights of other posters is a basic and important element of a community that values it's own members, and in doing so, values integrity.

In one of the threads I made a point about attribution.
Even in the absence of proper (legal) attribution some (any) reference to the origin goes a long way toward good intention.

A potential defense of "fair use" regarding such related events is an interesting legal question. I recently (on Open Talk Forum) I asked some questions specifically relating to such a hypothetical situation to a poster who states that he is a practicing attorney in the field of copyright law:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50152231

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50154303

That poster, who had offered a (not legal advice, but essentially personal) opinion to another poster regarding a situation where a poster had published a re-touched version of another poster's published image, interestingly, ended up electing to not reply to my specific inquiries.

Previous bluster seemed to fade when "the counselor" was faced with specific hypotheticals ...

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 5, 2012

I wish I knew what this thread was about ??

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to LudwigVB, Dec 5, 2012

LudwigVB wrote:

I wish I knew what this thread was about ??

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The trouble with resisting temptation is, you never know when you'll get another chance

You don't enjoy the intrigue? Yesterday someone re-posted a picture of someone else's spouse, and used it to critique the photographer's portraiture skills. That's the super-nice version of events. I'll let you read between the lines regarding what really happened.  The post has been deleted.  I don't know if the user was banned or not.  I haven't seen him around TOday.

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Re: Breaking Rule 2
In reply to Guy Parsons, Dec 6, 2012

Guy Parsons wrote:

After he comes back from his regular sojourn at some metal health clinic he seems quite useful and helpful, but slowly and steadily he grows into some "must reply to everything" monster and that gets totally annoying to all concerned.

So all I can say is that I hope after his next release that he does keep up with the proper medication and responds to suggestions to keep it under control. But we all know how that works out......

. . . He won't be back this time.

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Re: Thank you, Moderators
In reply to Bob Tullis, Dec 6, 2012

Although I like the guy (mostly) think he went over the line this time. He can be quite helpful, but this wasn't. Yes within a thread there is the option to respond with quote, which may include photos by the poster one is responding to. Outside of the thread there is not that option. Just my view.

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Hmmm remember it very well mate
In reply to Detail Man, Dec 6, 2012

Detail Man wrote:

A potential defense of "fair use" regarding such related events is an interesting legal question. I recently (on Open Talk Forum) I asked some questions specifically relating to such a hypothetical situation to a poster who states that he is a practicing attorney in the field of copyright law:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50152231

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50154303

That poster, who had offered a (not legal advice, but essentially personal) opinion to another poster regarding a situation where a poster had published a re-touched version of another poster's published image, interestingly, ended up electing to not reply to my specific inquiries.

Previous bluster seemed to fade when "the counselor" was faced with specific hypotheticals ...

I remember that thread rather well mate to say the least

It is one of the few things in photography forums that really get me going. Very simply its a total lack of respect IMO and I will hound anyone I see that does this sort of thing. I've had it happen to me and others I know with some even claiming its their work. Man I see red DM

Fair use. To who, thats the issue and not everything is B/W. That was done by a fellow Kiwi, I was not happy at all. All anyone has to do is simply ask permission first.

Anyway I better stop DM. Just thanks for coming to that issue in the Open Talk forum mate

Danny.

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Re: Hmmm remember it very well mate
In reply to nzmacro, Dec 6, 2012

nzmacro wrote:

Detail Man wrote:

A potential defense of "fair use" regarding such related events is an interesting legal question. I recently (on Open Talk Forum) I asked some questions specifically relating to such a hypothetical situation to a poster who states that he is a practicing attorney in the field of copyright law:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50152231

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50154303

That poster, who had offered a (not legal advice, but essentially personal) opinion to another poster regarding a situation where a poster had published a re-touched version of another poster's published image, interestingly, ended up electing to not reply to my specific inquiries.

Previous bluster seemed to fade when "the counselor" was faced with specific hypotheticals.

I remember that thread rather well mate to say the least

It is one of the few things in photography forums that really get me going. Very simply its a total lack of respect IMO and I will hound anyone I see that does this sort of thing. I've had it happen to me and others I know with some even claiming its their work. Man I see red DM

Fair use. To who, thats the issue and not everything is B/W. That was done by a fellow Kiwi, I was not happy at all. All anyone has to do is simply ask permission first.

Anyway I better stop DM. Just thanks for coming to that issue in the Open Talk forum mate

There is a sometime poster here for who I requested permission to apply some NR to their posted image, and to place it in my DPR Gallery in order to include it in a post showing the result (which that poster requested that I do). It remains in my DPR Gallery to date. But I would not be comfortable to publish it in another (different) thread (such as this one, or any other) - because my processing of that image belongs to the copyright holder. It does not belong to me. Owning and using are different.

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