Running or similar photography with Nex-7??

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Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee
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Running or similar photography with Nex-7??
Dec 4, 2012

I do a lot of running photography with my big heavy Canon system and it's great for that.

This weekend I'm going to Budapest as my daughter is running in a big championship.

It would suit me much more to bring my nex-7 with me. I've a newly acquired 50mm f1.8 for it.

Has anyone identified settings which suit this kind of photography with the Nex-7??

With the Canon I can get about 80% of shots in sharp focus..

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If you have enough light you could substitute this bird shot for someone running. If there was less light the 1.8 could still give you pretty high shutter speed if you increase the ISO.

I used my 24mm 1.8, I had the camera set to centre focus, shutter priority of 2000th/sec, 100 ISO.

I saw the bird coming, centred it in the middle of the frame followed it and hit the shutter button, no pre-focus.

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What I'm interested in, though is getting a sequence where most shots of runners coming at me, are in focus. Have you dont something like that?

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As long as the runners are not sprinting I think the NEX-7's continuous focus could work for you.

Here are three shots I took, using continuous focus mode, of a seagull taking off from in front of me flying towards me and to my left. I think a pretty tough test for the continuous focus mode.

I just hit the shutter button as soon as I saw the seagull was about to take off and followed it as best I could. The 3rd photo the bird was very close to me and I think I was moving the camera too fast for the 1/1250th/sec shutter speed to get a clear photo.

I used F9 aperture to maximize the depth of field.

Honestly if it is a special occasion with your daughter's running I would be experimenting like mad to make sure on the day you know what settings will work for you.

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I take photos of races frequently and I totally recommend to use a DSLR if you want to focus and track a runner.  I use my old Olympus E 510 for this and it works great.

See here:

http://jerrysdean43.zenfolio.com/p484427173

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I'd take the Canon and practice on some less important race. If you want to take a flyer, I'd recommend sports action (SA) mode, even if you normally use more "photographerly" modes for this kind of work.  With running animals use either manual prefocus or SA.

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I'm completely practiced with the Canon. I've taken tens of thousands of running photos with it. 1Div with various lenses. It's just the bulk and weight...

I think I'll have to take it, but if it's dry tomorrow and I can find some runners, I'll try out the Nex. I know already, because I've tried, that the multiple AF points works badly on it, as indeed they do on the Canon 1Div.

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If completely practised means you nail all your running pictures, or a reasonable percentage, then have a go with the new kit.  If this is not the case, then I have no idea why you are asking the question?  Unless you feel you can do as well with the Nex system?  Then I am still confused?  Like I said to you before, I am easily confused.

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I found that using a manual lens like the 135 2.8 Minolta and focus peaking you can do a pretty decent job with moving things.



Chasing a bit of a cracker thrown by someone.



Just pick one out and shoot him.  NEX 7, Minolta manual lens using the power of yellow peaking..

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If completely practised means you nail all your running pictures, or a reasonable percentage, then have a go with the new kit. If this is not the case, then I have no idea why you are asking the question? Unless you feel you can do as well with the Nex system? Then I am still confused? Like I said to you before, I am easily confused.

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Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee wrote:

What I'm interested in, though is getting a sequence where most shots of runners coming at me, are in focus. Have you dont something like that?

NEX is not going to be good at that at all. You might get the first shot in focus. The benefit with the NEX 7 is that it has short shutter lag in electronic first curtain shutter mode, this means your runner shouldn't get too much time to move before the camera takes the image.

If you have both cameras try them with a couple runners and see if it will work or not, but I am guessing the NEX is not going to do well for your situation.  The NEX 6 should be better with the hybrid focus, but I have yet to see a good sequence of a runner or something with that camera.

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...like yourself I've taken tens of thousands (indeed at about 70% keeper rate) with various EF longer lenses and 7d, but this is simply NOT possible to repeat with N7; there was a very similar thread recently (and about much less ambitious moving target) 55-210 and its inablity to trace advancing walker

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Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee wrote:

I do a lot of running photography with my big heavy Canon system and it's great for that.

This weekend I'm going to Budapest as my daughter is running in a big championship.

It would suit me much more to bring my nex-7 with me. I've a newly acquired 50mm f1.8 for it.

Has anyone identified settings which suit this kind of photography with the Nex-7??

With the Canon I can get about 80% of shots in sharp focus..

YOu can make this work if you know how to use manual focus and stop down to f8 or lower. you'll need to figure out what area you want in focus and then manually dial that in and lock it.

Don't auto anything.

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...like yourself I've taken tens of thousands (indeed at about 70% keeper rate) with various EF longer lenses and 7d, but this is simply NOT possible to repeat with N7; there was a very similar thread recently (and about much less ambitious moving target) 55-210 and its inablity to trace advancing walker

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A 55-210 lens at 210mm and ISO 800 and  the shooter complains of mushy eyes at 100% crop.

"There's the problem"

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A 55-210 lens at 210mm and ISO 800 and the shooter complains of mushy eyes at 100% crop.

"There's the problem"

I assume you must be joking, no? the main problem with soft picts. of that walking gal of Sean was inadequate CDAF speed. PZ report on the SEL 55-210 doesn't show it to be stellar, but it isn't catastrophic either, as we can see (on N7):

http://www.photozone.de/sony_nex/729-sony55210f4563nex?start=1

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This is a pretty cool photo. Unique and a little crazy, like it a lot.

Thank you
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For street candid fast shooting, a Nex isn't the best choice, but for predictable sports like running?? How did those sports photographers of years gone by without autofocus do it? The same way you can. Just prefocus to the point you know they will be crossing. A subject like running is pretty straightforward. You ought to be able to do much much better than 80% accurate.

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In reply to Richard Ettinger, Dec 5, 2012

Richard Ettinger wrote:

Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee wrote:

I do a lot of running photography with my big heavy Canon system and it's great for that.

This weekend I'm going to Budapest as my daughter is running in a big championship.

It would suit me much more to bring my nex-7 with me. I've a newly acquired 50mm f1.8 for it.

Has anyone identified settings which suit this kind of photography with the Nex-7??

With the Canon I can get about 80% of shots in sharp focus..

YOu can make this work if you know how to use manual focus and stop down to f8 or lower. you'll need to figure out what area you want in focus and then manually dial that in and lock it.

Don't auto anything.

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Sorry Richard, I gave a similar reply and hadn't read your earlier response. And you can also use auto focus by prefocusing to your chosen point. By picking the point in advance, the photographer usually gets better shots as the point can be chosen with composition in mind.

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For street candid fast shooting, a Nex isn't the best choice, but for predictable sports like running?? How did those sports photographers of years gone by without autofocus do it? The same way you can. Just prefocus to the point you know they will be crossing. A subject like running is pretty straightforward. You ought to be able to do much much better than 80% accurate.

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I used to do that before autofocus appeared and it worked great for one or two shots, now though it's a different matter..

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Gearóid Ó Laoi, Garry Lee wrote:

Mike Fewster wrote:


For street candid fast shooting, a Nex isn't the best choice, but for predictable sports like running?? How did those sports photographers of years gone by without autofocus do it? The same way you can. Just prefocus to the point you know they will be crossing. A subject like running is pretty straightforward. You ought to be able to do much much better than 80% accurate.

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I used to do that before autofocus appeared and it worked great for one or two shots, now though it's a different matter

In what way is it different now? Same technique still works just fine.

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