Pros say Sony A99 video is superb

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Kappels
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Pros say Sony A99 video is superb
5 months ago

http://vimeo.com/54512570#at=0

Before somebody says they are using external recorders, he says clearly that they shoot regularly with the A99 video without any extra recording devices and the A99 video quality rocks.

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In reply to Kappels, 5 months ago

Can't say I've shot any video with my A99 yet, but from what I've seen on these forums, it's one or two (possibly the same person with 2 accounts) bashing on it as hard as he can.

Almost the same level of relentless bashing that MaxISO/eyesore spammed with regards to the A99's image quality before it was released.

Personally I'm going to chock the bashing up to a malcontent troll who's in the same vein as the previously mentioned troll.

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I can hear the boo birds gathering... be sure to wear a hat....

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In reply to Kappels, 5 months ago

Just out of curiosity, what are the advantages of using an external recorder, and more importantly... how much do they cost?

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EvilOne wrote:

I can hear the boo birds gathering... be sure to wear a hat....

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In reply to Kappels, 5 months ago

Kappels wrote:

http://vimeo.com/54512570#at=0

Before somebody says they are using external recorders, he says clearly that they shoot regularly with the A99 video without any extra recording devices and the A99 video quality rocks.

Stef.

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Yep, no "extra recording devices" whatsoever. But don't let things like pesky facts get in the way; he obviously does use recording devices AND is paid by Sony. You be the judge.

http://www.fotointern.ch/archiv/2012/09/12/sony-a99-charles-michels-praxisfilm-und-wie-es-dazu-kam/

That strange device with all those circles on the back certainly resemble this, don't you think?

http://www.atomos.com/ninja2/

Just like I've been saying for the past week - who am I going to believe - you, or my lyin' eyes?

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Sorry, but the video looks more like a commercial for the camera than a true critique. Who would want to rent and hire all those aston martins (plus drivers) by themselves (and only for a few seconds of footage)? Obviously someone else paid for it... there were other things such as not one word bad was said about it (nothing is perfect) and the whole scripting seems so "pre prepared" and perfectly delivered as if practiced, if you know what I mean. Definitely a internet commercial using a well know person just like tiger woods for nike golf.

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MITDelay wrote:

Sorry, but the video looks more like a commercial for the camera than a true critique. Who would want to rent and hire all those aston martins (plus drivers) by themselves (and only for a few seconds of footage)? Obviously someone else paid for it... there were other things such as not one word bad was said about it (nothing is perfect) and the whole scripting seems so "pre prepared" and perfectly delivered as if practiced, if you know what I mean. Definitely a internet commercial using a well know person just like tiger woods for nike golf.

Pretty much.

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Cacophonic Visions wrote:

Can't say I've shot any video with my A99 yet, but from what I've seen on these forums, it's one or two (possibly the same person with 2 accounts) bashing on it as hard as he can.

You seem to be seeing this through rose colored glasses. The A99 clearly has issues with regard to video. I just hope Sony can fix it via a firmware fix.

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In reply to Shield3, 5 months ago

Shield3 wrote:

Kappels wrote:

http://vimeo.com/54512570#at=0

Before somebody says they are using external recorders, he says clearly that they shoot regularly with the A99 video without any extra recording devices and the A99 video quality rocks.

Stef.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/15931938@N05/

Yep, no "extra recording devices" whatsoever. But don't let things like pesky facts get in the way; he obviously does use recording devices AND is paid by Sony. You be the judge.

http://www.fotointern.ch/archiv/2012/09/12/sony-a99-charles-michels-praxisfilm-und-wie-es-dazu-kam/

That strange device with all those circles on the back certainly resemble this, don't you think?

http://www.atomos.com/ninja2/

Just like I've been saying for the past week - who am I going to believe - you, or my lyin' eyes?

So whats wrong with an external recorder?  Pro DSLR video shooters all use external recorders.  Your like a guy who picks up a d800 and buys the cheapest kit lens and complains that the camera sucks.  Its not the camera its that you need additional components.

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In reply to Shield3, 5 months ago

Shield3 wrote:

MITDelay wrote:

Sorry, but the video looks more like a commercial for the camera than a true critique. Who would want to rent and hire all those aston martins (plus drivers) by themselves (and only for a few seconds of footage)? Obviously someone else paid for it... there were other things such as not one word bad was said about it (nothing is perfect) and the whole scripting seems so "pre prepared" and perfectly delivered as if practiced, if you know what I mean. Definitely a internet commercial using a well know person just like tiger woods for nike golf.

Pretty much.

I do agree with this.  I do not agree that this camera shoots terrible video.  Even out of cam I can shoot at 3200 and it looks solid and clean to me.  I am not sure about shields soft focus issue and loss of detail but I am shooting a destination wedding this weekend in Mexico and im pumped

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Dustinash wrote:

Shield3 wrote:

Kappels wrote:

http://vimeo.com/54512570#at=0

Before somebody says they are using external recorders, he says clearly that they shoot regularly with the A99 video without any extra recording devices and the A99 video quality rocks.

Stef.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/15931938@N05/

Yep, no "extra recording devices" whatsoever. But don't let things like pesky facts get in the way; he obviously does use recording devices AND is paid by Sony. You be the judge.

http://www.fotointern.ch/archiv/2012/09/12/sony-a99-charles-michels-praxisfilm-und-wie-es-dazu-kam/

That strange device with all those circles on the back certainly resemble this, don't you think?

http://www.atomos.com/ninja2/

Just like I've been saying for the past week - who am I going to believe - you, or my lyin' eyes?

So whats wrong with an external recorder? Pro DSLR video shooters all use external recorders. Your like a guy who picks up a d800 and buys the cheapest kit lens and complains that the camera sucks. Its not the camera its that you need additional components.

Who said anything was WRONG with using an external video device?  Did you skim over the original post in this thread?

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In reply to sean lancaster, 5 months ago

sean lancaster wrote:

Cacophonic Visions wrote:

Can't say I've shot any video with my A99 yet, but from what I've seen on these forums, it's one or two (possibly the same person with 2 accounts) bashing on it as hard as he can.

You seem to be seeing this through rose colored glasses. The A99 clearly has issues with regard to video. I just hope Sony can fix it via a firmware fix.

If that's how you think I'm seeing it, that's ok.  I was merely pointing out that it's the same 1 or 2 people spamming the forums with new threads and spamming other threads with posts regarding this "problem".  I bought the camera as a stills camera, had I intended on using it for video, I might have more to say about that aside from some forum observations.  For those that are having "video problems" with their A99s, I hope a solution does come sooner rather than later.  However, jumping on the forums and violently complaining and spamming about a "problem" with no proof of one's own is no way to bring up such things.  If someone has a problem, they should be able to provide their own proof of the problem, not simply linking other peoples' videos and complaining about it.  That seems too much like trolling to me.

To Shield3:  Instead of linking to other peoples' videos from the A99 and complaining about them, link your own videos displaying the problem, and maybe I'll believe you and your "Snarry Hatch" clone.  Again, not saying the "problem" doesn't exist, simply saying that you haven't provided a single shred of YOUR OWN PROOF that it does.

I'm looking forward to the first firmware update, the one that's supposed to add my 85ZA to the AF-D supported list.  If they fix the "video problems" that a small few seem to be having/complaining violently about, then that's icing on the cake.  I'm also looking forward to the release of the Planar T* 50mm f/1.4 ZA SSM this coming spring time.  I love the current 50mm f/1.4 from Sony, but a Zeiss version?  I'm all aboard.

I apologize if it seems I were a little too direct in certain parts of this post, but I'm rather tired of seeing the spam threads about it with no real proof from the people claiming to have the problem in question.

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Not picking sides, but at least get the details straight (since they are right in the video)...

Charles Michel says two things very clearly (just not in english, thank god for subtitles lol)...

"I shot many of the images in the A99 video handheld without accessories and they turned out great..."- Voila! the camera was used without external recorders and performed great.

"However, the reason I converted the camera into a professional video camera is simply that, I wanted to see what the camera was capable of." - the camera was also outfitted with an array of accessories typical of professional use, like a rail system, follow focus control, matte box, and an external recorder. This is what you should expect to see in a pro setup. That is clearly the Ninja recorder, but isn't required.

Dumping direct to the Ninja makes the only sense for a professional looking to squeeze the most from the footage in post/grading. AVCHD is fine internal but admittedly at lower (highly efficient AVCHD) bitrates... or record live throughput via the HDMI output and capture uncompressed RAW video. The latter example is why the Ninja external recorder is really the expected setup. If ths statement was made that this was setup as a pro camera without an external recorder that would have been a red flag... not the other way around...

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In reply to Cacophonic Visions, 5 months ago

Cacophonic Visions wrote:

sean lancaster wrote:

Cacophonic Visions wrote:

Can't say I've shot any video with my A99 yet, but from what I've seen on these forums, it's one or two (possibly the same person with 2 accounts) bashing on it as hard as he can.

You seem to be seeing this through rose colored glasses. The A99 clearly has issues with regard to video. I just hope Sony can fix it via a firmware fix.

If that's how you think I'm seeing it, that's ok. I was merely pointing out that it's the same 1 or 2 people spamming the forums with new threads and spamming other threads with posts regarding this "problem". I bought the camera as a stills camera, had I intended on using it for video, I might have more to say about that aside from some forum observations. For those that are having "video problems" with their A99s, I hope a solution does come sooner rather than later. However, jumping on the forums and violently complaining and spamming about a "problem" with no proof of one's own is no way to bring up such things. If someone has a problem, they should be able to provide their own proof of the problem, not simply linking other peoples' videos and complaining about it. That seems too much like trolling to me.

Well, one of the more convincing posts on this topic didn't even come from Shield or the funny named sock guy, but instead came from another senior member here. He links to video samples where people are pointing to the deficiencies.

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More superb A99 videos here (many links)
In reply to Shield3, 5 months ago

Shield3 wrote:

Dustinash wrote:

Shield3 wrote:

Kappels wrote:

http://vimeo.com/54512570#at=0

Before somebody says they are using external recorders, he says clearly that they shoot regularly with the A99 video without any extra recording devices and the A99 video quality rocks.

Stef.

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Yep, no "extra recording devices" whatsoever. But don't let things like pesky facts get in the way; he obviously does use recording devices

According to Charles Michel in his interview http://vimeo.com/54512570  the scene above was taken with the help of candlelights only, and you're ready to agreed than the too much contrasty lumix gh2 outperform the A99... You continue to looks like a dummie whatever the profile you use.

I going to BELIEVE- you, or my lyin' eyes?

It is what it is, only the facts, no belief here:

Amateur footage

http://vimeo.com/54557579

By flat and dull day:

http://vimeo.com/51684443

Pro footages:

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?feature=related&v=mlSihpdJpTA

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=related&v=qxT0DaNYdM4

http://www.enriquepacheco.com/sony-a99-iceland-expedition

http://vimeo.com/50978623

http://vimeo.com/52031763

Behind the scene:

http://vimeo.com/52032668

Charles Michel interview:

http://vimeo.com/54512570

Korean Sony add:

http://vimeo.com/51725759

With ambiant light only:

http://vimeo.com/51727665

Here – with a Minolta G lens – some differences: flat VS crisp video before and after some enhancements:

http://vimeo.com/53758234

and so on...

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Shield3 wrote:

Kappels wrote:

http://vimeo.com/54512570#at=0

Before somebody says they are using external recorders, he says clearly that they shoot regularly with the A99 video without any extra recording devices and the A99 video quality rocks.

Stef.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/15931938@N05/

Yep, no "extra recording devices" whatsoever. But don't let things like pesky facts get in the way; he obviously does use recording devices AND is paid by Sony. You be the judge.

http://www.fotointern.ch/archiv/2012/09/12/sony-a99-charles-michels-praxisfilm-und-wie-es-dazu-kam/

That strange device with all those circles on the back certainly resemble this, don't you think?

http://www.atomos.com/ninja2/

Just like I've been saying for the past week - who am I going to believe - you, or my lyin' eyes?

I do not expect you to understand German, but I assume you can read the English subtitles?

He clearly said that he uses the A99 regularly without external devices and that the quality is stunning.

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In reply to Shield3, 5 months ago

Shield3 wrote:

That strange device with all those circles on the back certainly resemble this, don't you think?

http://www.atomos.com/ninja2/

Just like I've been saying for the past week - who am I going to believe - you, or my lyin' eyes?

So whats wrong with an external recorder? Pro DSLR video shooters all use external recorders. Your like a guy who picks up a d800 and buys the cheapest kit lens and complains that the camera sucks. Its not the camera its that you need additional components.

Who said anything was WRONG with using an external video device? Did you skim over the original post in this thread?

Wow that looks rather sexy

But the price makes it somewhat redundant for someone like myself. I mean... in all fairness, for an amateur like myself, I'd likely be far better off putting the $1500.00 it would take to sup-up the A99 onto a dedicated video machine and be done with it. Unless of course I'm completely missing the ball on what benefits exist using such a setup.

Though I must reiterate how awesome this setup looks though. - just wow!

Maybe I'll give it a go and play the pro video look with some puffin footage in spring
Can anyone list off the equipment needed for a complete uncompressed video setup? (recorded, display, mic's etc).

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Is it only me who thinks this starts to be crazy?

We have a near to perfect picture (yes also movie) out of the camera, some might complain and for them we have pro video camera's.

Now we're looking at a totally weird and for most people impossible unusable setup, no to mention the additional price of different components and in this setup there are still things you can't do like a real pro.

And if we need to spend this much on an external recorder, maybe it's time for a movie camera.

Also it's a bit annoying every tread on this site starts with any title and ends with bashing the A99 like the A77 before. I mean you must be on welfare to have all this time to spend on bashing and it also explains the anger.

What I don't understand, why DP will not block these IP numbers, because this get so negative there must be a bad impact in income from companies supporting this site.

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Cacophonic Visions wrote:

To Shield3: Instead of linking to other peoples' videos from the A99 and complaining about them, link your own videos displaying the problem, and maybe I'll believe you and your "Snarry Hatch" clone. Again, not saying the "problem" doesn't exist, simply saying that you haven't provided a single shred of YOUR OWN PROOF that it does.

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