X-Trans RAW Support - Complain Where It Counts

I see there are already a number of threads with many people complaining about the lack of (although debatable) proper RAW support for X-Trans from RAW Processing Software.

While I can totally understand the frustration being vented, may I suggest that all this effort could be put to much greater effect by going directly to where the issue really is.

Fujifilm do not own Adobe, DXO, Aperture or any other RAW processing software. The issue that appears to be frustrating a great many (which is actually in itself debatable) is that these software developers have failed to get off their lazy behinds and build in proper support for the X-Trans.

Fujifilm would be busting their guts to encourage these software developers to build proper support for the X-Pro1 and X-E1 in to their software as they would be fully aware that without it could potentially negatively impact on the X-Trans ability to gain traction in the market place.

To further complicate this it appears to be debatable as to whether some software support the X-Trans or not - so I will not touch on that one.

Complain to the people who can fix this issue directly ....

Adobe: http://helpx.adobe.com/contact/
Aperture: http://www.apple.com/support/contact/
DXO: http://support.dxo.com/home?locale=1

Perhaps some may like to provide further links to other RAW processing software.

The Fujifilm X-Trans sensor is a bold innovation that I can see with my own eyes delivers something much better than its normal Bayer pattern predecessor. I personally believe it is a stroke of brilliance, one that companies like Sony would not be happy about at all. Sony is locked in to the old Bayer pattern with nowhere to go - the extent of their innovation seems to be cramming more pixels in or making sensors larger.

So if you believe that software developers have failed to build in proper support for the X-Trans then why not vent it directly to the people who can supply you with a product that solves the issue.

Cheers

So you think each company should guess independently how to develop algorithms for a completely new sensor design while Fujifilm waits for them to do so, with the success of their product on the line? You're cracking me up.

Nope, they should use all the technical data on the X-Trans that has been sent to them by Fujifilm some time ago when the non-disclosure agreements were completed, rather than leave it sitting there untouched maybe in the too hard basket.

Cheers

Actually it's Fujifilm that is responsible for licensing (or publishing if they prefer so) their algorithm. It looks like everyone else already did their best -- what in case of Adobe isn't much in the first place.

They should offer a DNG option in camera.

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For the moment there is no perfect support to develop RAF RAW file from X Trans sensor

All software including the camera engine suffer from 2 issues, color bleeding and corresponding loss, smearing of fine details. It might be a big issue (photos of congress posters with huge bleeding of titles and headers on the background) or an intermediate level of  concern (foliage, depending of the nature and importance of foliage)

This prevents to sueeze all the potential juice from the Raw file

That said the JPEGs are extraordinary good much better than in any other camera but ot's still disppointing not to be able to get better res from the RAW file

It remains  however all the PP possibilities with RAW : color, t°,etc....

To get the best just now I play with ACR or Silkypix or Helicon Filter 5 according to the nature of the photo and the known rendition of each program

All in all my X Pro1 gives a similar res than the canon 5D3 with much better OOC rendition of shadows and highlights

The big software fims will start to move as soon as it will a sensible market for them and that will probably occur soon with XE1 and a set of new lenses.

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UK support said that they had received one request for Fuji raw support in the middle of the year and four in November. He said "maybe if people start writing in it will light a fire under them."

I didn't know it but in the drop down menu below the word "Aperture"  next to the apple symbol.. there is a tab called: Provide Aperture feedback.

Please use it!!!!!!!!!

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Exactly.  Fujifilm could simply give away the code to Adobe to get their RAW files properly supported.  Could have been done BEFORE the cameras were even launched.

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Precisely correct.

Thank you to all those who think Fujifilm are responsible for Adobe Light Room software and other RAW processing software development. It's good to have a laugh now and then.

Cheers

This entire discussion is totally naive, IMHO.

First, nobody really knows what support Fuji exactly provided. As far as I can tell, they haven't provided anything remotely useful, otherwise it would have been a piece of cake to come up with the software.

Second, Fuji has no interest in giving away information about its 'revolutionary' design. They have a lot riding on it, and they certainly don't want anybody else catching up with them before they had the chance to establish themselves firmly in the market.

Third, Fuji very likely has a special agreement with SilkyPix, and that agreement might very well specify that they won't support other software houses as much as they support SilkyPix to give them a head start as well.

Last, Fuji X-Trans cameras play no significant role in the professional market, not now and not for some time to come, for a lot of reasons that aren't related to RAW processing. There is no significant pressure coming from professionals. Enthusiast hobbyists are in the vast minority, so nothing will happen until there is someone who musters the good will to provide useful RAW support. In commercial circles, good will is very rare, which might come as a shocking surprise to some.

@BillyInya - I think the previous poster is correct, in that you are being naive. The number of potential users of raw processing software that own an X-Pro1 or X-E1 compared to the rest of the market is very small. Therefore, there is little incentive for the software makers to invest a huge amount of effort in understanding something radically different.

The ball is entirely in Fujifilm's court on this. They need to persuade the RAW software processing companies to support them by making it as easy as possible.

You cannot claim they are sitting on the necessary information - none of us know what the information is that Fujifilm has given them.

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Talk of Fujifilm "not providing" the right sort of technical information to software development companies that would enable them to implement true X-Trans support is nonsense.

However, there could be something in what else has been said. That software developers may want to "see the money" before they put in the effort.

In at least one other forum someone claimed to have evidence that software developers are demanding Fujifilm "pay" them to implement support for the X-Trans within their software. Commercial blackmail by another name.

I very much doubt this is true but I guess it is sadly plausible that unless RAW processing software companies can see there is money in it for them then it is no wonder things are the way they are.

Mind you, the out of cam jpeg's are amongst the very best I have seen from ANY camera. So while it would be nice to have proper RAW support, some people may be forced to discover they just may not need RAW processing software anymore.

For me personally RAW support would be good for those odd times when shooting in very challenging conditions. The remaining 95% of the time I go jpeg with my S3 and have never looked back.

Cheers

It only takes a couple of minutes to write a few sentences to theses companies (including Fuji).

It cant hurt to try.

Please show me evidence that supports your statement.

The funny thing is, I see people who complain about this issue, shooting in raw, and the pictures...photos of their dog, or their son closeup in the living room. JPEG would certainly suffice for these kinds of 'snapshots'. Maybe people are to hung up on technicalities. They should be taking good pictures, otherwise get a point and shoot.

Now there's an idea, though it would probably alienate all of the other software players.

DNG wouldn't solve anything. The issue is not readability of the files but how to process the data in them.

It baffles me that rabid brand apologists like the OP and a few others do not understand that they are their brand's worst enemies. Without solid third party support Fujifilm will condemn XF to remain a minor niche player and to never live up to its potential. It won't be the first time that excellent engineering effort would be squandered by dumb management decisions.

There is no glory in squandered potential. As Calving Coolidge said, "nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent".

The onus is on Fuji. Not anyone else.

If I didn't care about shallow depth of field I'd buy an omd. Waiting on the release of the 23mm 1.4 to see if they have things resolved by than.

The technology in this sensor means nothing without proper software support.

Bang on sir!  Well stated.  This can't be said loud enough.  Fan boys are the enemy of progress and improvement.  Witness the X10 orb fiasco.  There were some who complained loud and long over the terrible way in which the X10 dealt with specular highlights.  The fan boys trashed these people as whining cry babies and constantly stated that the orb problem was totally normal.  Fact is, it wasnt.  It was a terrible problem and those who complained continued to raise it until finally Fujifilm was FORCED to deal with the problem, although not before trying their best to duck it.

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