D600 Review sure looks good hope 6D is that good

but somehow I doubt it.

look on the bright side, at least maybe we'll have a clean sensor

Nikon really surprised everybody this year, and it's not over yet - Their DX flagship is hiding somewhere around the corner, ready for the final blow. The way I look at it, two choices:

(1) If you don't have bagfull of Canon Lenses, jump ship isn't a bad idea. And the sooner, the better.

(2) If you hold on, it will be a long and expansive wait.  5DIII and 6D inventory has to be digested to certain degree before a new Canon FX surfaces, even with rebate or reduced price. And the new FX won't be cheap.

Another unlikely scenario: Canon withdraw 6D, suck up on the loss and push forward 5DIV.

how about the feel of the camera and the way the menu layout? i tried and tried my friends nikon d600, d300 and d90 and there is no way i'm gonna jump ship, it's not just comfortable in my hands, the menu layout.... and the way the shutter button weight is not for me.

In the end, i think whatever camera that make you feel comfortable and motivate you to go out and shoot.

I can't believe how much dirt was on the sensor of the test camera of the D600 after only a month. See page 12 of the review here. And it could not be remedied with a dry clean (air), it required a wet clean by a professional cleaner. Is that really acceptable? That much dirt after a month requiring a professional cleaning makes the D600 lose some luster!

Les

Yah viewing it at original size is shocking...its only f/11.  Normally I clean my 5DMKII up to f/16 tolerance (meaning slight marks at f/22 I ignore).

I think the D600 will be a great buy 6-12  months down the road after they make non-disclosed revisions.

I really don't think so.  The 6D will be a fine camera, but compared to the D600 it's...underwhelming.  Given the 6D feature set, it would be a serious contender at $1600.  But at $2K it looks under-spec'd compared to the Nikon.  Besides wi-fi and GPS, I can't think of anything the Canon will do better.

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Well Nikon has great quality control just ask any D800 owner. Won't catch me jumping ship and I live on Long Island not far from Melville. What forum is this again?

Another lost round for Canon for sure. It became rather easy to dethrone dictators lately. Anywhere. It just a matter of time.

Eduardo

Canon gives 6D one-axis electronic level indicating that it is targeted for users, who probably don't know that the camera can be used vertically too. For comparison, Nikon D600 has two-axis virtual horizon (Nikon's equivalent of electronic level). Yes, built-in wifi and GPS are good things but they don't help photography taking in any way. Take your pick.

Yes, just ask all the 1DIII owners that never got any resolution on the well documented focusing issues.

Selective amnesia, it affects a lot of people on these forums.

6d image quality will be on par with d600..feauture set favors d600

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It's only the case when you PP image taken with Sony sensor (and Nikon camera) to be contrast with deep black areas or blown out highlights. Once you try to preserve highlights and simultaneously to keep shadow details visible  you'll see D600 IQ is superior (I'm talking about base ISO, of course). And D600 has about a half of stop better high iso performance.

Am I the only one not to have been surprised by Nikon and Canon's DSLR announcements this year ?

When you think about it, apart from its sensor, the D800 is just a slightly improved D700. Its sensor just addresses what was one of the most most obvious difference between the D700 and its peers (5DII, A900) : megapixels. That's it. A certain number of issues haven't been addressed by the D800 (lack of a decent user mode system for example).

As far as the D600 goes, again, it's not really surprising : Nikon picked a few bits from the D7000 and D800, added a few specific things to it, and voilà, you have a camera right down the middle. Again, there is nothing earth-shattering about it. If its AF seems to be better specified than the 6D's AF, it's more a testament about how well-specified the D7000's AF was. If its sensor ultimately performs better at low ISO than the 6D's, it's more a testament about how good the Exmor technology is in this regard.

The 5DIII is basically Canon addressing most of the criticisms raised after the 5DII, apart from dynamic range and banding at low ISO, and taking a page from Nikon's book by putting the flagship AF in it. Basically mirroring what Nikon did with the D800 : addressing its competitive disadvantage.

The 6D was a little more surprising to me, at least the extent to which Canon went cheap. No, I'm not talking about the AF system (I've got the feeling it isn't going to be nearly as bad as what people think it is reading specifications only, if the body I handled at the Parisian Salon de la photo was any indication), but things like the lack of auto-backlighting control, or the disappearance of the M-fn button.

From the big two, the real surprise, to me, this year, was Canon's 40mm lens. And, in general, what I feel might be a change in lens line-up philosophy from Canon, moving away from cheap, well-specified lenses that perform just OK wide-open, to more expensive lenses compromising attention-grabbing specifications for very good wide-open and closed down specifications, good build quality and IS in wide prime lenses. Just as an illustration, Nikon released the 28mm f1.8, a lens people were expecting, giving the release of the 50 f1.8 and 85 f1.8 lenses. People also expected Canon to release a 28mm f1.8, but they didn't. They released instead the 28mm f2.8 IS USM. There is something a little M-mountish in recent Canon releases : expensive, modest specifications, but good if not very good performances, straight from the widest aperture, that I don't see in recent Nikon, or Sony lens releases (more in line with traditional specifications, price-points and performances). I think it's quite interesting, we'll see if Canon continues this recent trend or not.

Going back to the comparison between the 6D and the D600, I think DPreview was right to comment about the 6D's lack of Wow factor. But, when you start to handle them, you realise it isn't as bad as what people think it is, and most importantly, that the 6D isn't feeling as cheap in the hand as its specifications suggest. Personally, I find them both too expensive anyway for what they offer.

'Wow factor', depending on how you like to define that, can be a dangerous thing to pursue in camera design.  Of course it possibly goes without saying that most of us probably do like to have the biggest bang for our buck and possibly to impress others.  But when choosing something like a camera, watch, car, or anything of this nature all we have to consider is that purchase relative to our circumstances.  Buy the wrong camera and to most people it's only an irritation really and what have they lost?  Ok for some it may be a system decision and therefore the effective cost implication somewhat higher.  But still, is it a major issue?  I would suggest it's not, not really.

However if Canon, Nikon or whoever, get it wrong it could be a major financial disaster.  Which is why these companies tend to be quite conservative in their approach and innovation takes place in incremental steps.  If you were allowed in you would see some mind blowing concepts produced in R&D to stimulate the engineers and to trial ideas.  But unless a particular company has no market share to protect and therefore nothing to lose you are never going to see such radical stuff on the market.  Not in the short term anyway.

So sometimes a highly exciting product might end up not selling particularly well, or perhaps because of reliability issues the profitability goes down the pan.  Meanwhile the superficially less attractive model (on paper) ends up being the one that sells because it does precisely what it is designed to.

In fact the 36Mp is a great advantage over 24Mp (or less) combined with sophisticated PP, like modern advanced NR technics, sharpening technics, etc. This leads to cleaner pictures at higher sensitivities with higher clarity (when comparing downsampled images).

This is one of the reasons that stops me from buying D600. I've just sold my 5DII (to buy D600 or 6D) and since I've bought it (over 3 years now) I've never ever cleaned my sensor manually! After 3 years of lens changing I had only few spots @f=22. Actually my focusing screed have had much more specks than low pass filter on 5Dmk2 sensor.

One of my latest shots @f22:

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Amen to that. After handling one for a short while, I'm pretty sure the 6D will receive a warmer welcome than its specifications suggest, unless Canon has really messed up something.

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that's not what dual axis / single axis means btw.

and wifi is can most certainly help with photography - especially if you tether alot.

the ability to run liveview / tether via a smartphone versus carrying around a laptop, etc - is certainly a step forward in the right direction.