What a great supprise.

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Donald B
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Nov 13, 2012

Hi all pentax uses. well today i sent a request the the studio ive just started working for for them to send me some full size images of a shoot they did on saturday with their canon 5dmk11. the reason being is they have hired me for a shoot tomorrow night for a year 12 grad ball and just wanted to make sure my k7 was well prepared for the night and wanted to compare my last shoot i did for them 3 weeks ago. against their ff canons.  Big supprise my k7 "and im not kidding" blew it out of the water ! my photos were so much sharper and detailed, the skintones were beautiful, also the auto focus letf the canon for dead and they were shooting at f9. so for all those pentax uses these machines are first class and would not go FF even if you gave me one.

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Donald B wrote:

Hi all pentax uses. well today i sent a request the the studio ive just started working for for them to send me some full size images of a shoot they did on saturday with their canon 5dmk11. the reason being is they have hired me for a shoot tomorrow night for a year 12 grad ball and just wanted to make sure my k7 was well prepared for the night and wanted to compare my last shoot i did for them 3 weeks ago. against their ff canons. Big supprise my k7 "and im not kidding" blew it out of the water ! my photos were so much sharper and detailed, the skintones were beautiful, also the auto focus letf the canon for dead and they were shooting at f9. so for all those pentax uses these machines are first class and would not go FF even if you gave me one.

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Wow good stuff thats how Sony sensor will blow Canon sensor out of water big time. There is no doubt Canon will never be able to beat Sony anytime soon. Its a good thing that Pentax and Nikon likes purchasing Sony sensor cos of the best quality you can get.

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Isn't it a Samsung sensor ?

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Im realy excited now about the new k5 as it will give me more detail after looking at the comparrisions , dont no which one yet, will wait for more sample and reviews.

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hanhait wrote:

Isn't it a Samsung sensor ?

Yep its the quad channel variant, Samsung sensor from the k20d probably the best sensor produce in its year of manufacture.

Pity Samsung couldn't stay the course once Sony turned the R&D screws.

Mind you we were the winners

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sorry i cant post full head shots, as you no i cant, so i thought i would use just the eyes for this comparrision. somethings gotta be wrong with the canon shots surely ?

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I would not judge anything by one comparison. The Canon shot you show does look bad but the 5D is a very capable camera and Canon system is great as well. I love my K5 but I would use my friends 5DMKII with Speed-lights to shoot an event like that over the K5. Not that you won't do fine with the K7.  Go tohttp://photography-on-the.net and check out the photo sharing forums. Loaded with shots taken with 5D.

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may i know what lenses you using for your event shoots?

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Sorry, Don - I agree that the Canon skin tones are wrong but the Pentax ones look just as bad in the opposite direction.  The Pentax version looks as if she is sufering from jaundice, with even the eyes having a yellow cast.  The Canon eyes look natural (although with no shadow detail - it's just the skin that's wrong in that one.

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Colours apart, it looks like the shot taken with the Canon is just out of focus, which is probably user error.  I've seen full-res files taken on a Canon 5DII and they look stunning even at 100%.  This example is not a fair representation of what the camera can do.

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Usually you're telling us how your bridge cam and XZ1 outperform the K-7. I guess we should infer they all outperform a 5D II.

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The tonality has been a big reason why I am a Pentaxian.

I think the same is true for this guy named Ben.

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I rmemeber the furor, years ago when people were whining that their Fuji F10s were getting skin tones better than their big C cameras. They were posting photos, too.

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Donald B wrote:

Hi all pentax uses. well today i sent a request the the studio ive just started working for for them to send me some full size images of a shoot they did on saturday with their canon 5dmk11. the reason being is they have hired me for a shoot tomorrow night for a year 12 grad ball and just wanted to make sure my k7 was well prepared for the night and wanted to compare my last shoot i did for them 3 weeks ago. against their ff canons. Big supprise my k7 "and im not kidding" blew it out of the water ! my photos were so much sharper and detailed, the skintones were beautiful, also the auto focus letf the canon for dead and they were shooting at f9. so for all those pentax uses these machines are first class and would not go FF even if you gave me one.

cheers don

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I agree I wouldn't go FF, unless of course it was a pentax (or maybe D800E but thats spendy). I can only imagine what pentax could do with a FF sensor after seeing what they do with apsc. Glad to see you driving your K7 like a madman, keep up the good work.

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Colours apart, it looks like the shot taken with the Canon is just out of focus, which is probably user error. I've seen full-res files taken on a Canon 5DII and they look stunning even at 100%. This example is not a fair representation of what the camera can do.

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i dont know what lens they were using but they sent me several shots and even the groups were as bad .

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Sorry, Don - I agree that the Canon skin tones are wrong but the Pentax ones look just as bad in the opposite direction. The Pentax version looks as if she is sufering from jaundice, with even the eyes having a yellow cast. The Canon eyes look natural (although with no shadow detail - it's just the skin that's wrong in that one.

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Hi gerry , when i hold my hand to the screen it looks the same skintone colour i think people are confused what is actually skintone ? they think its pink ? wrong.

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I attended my sister's 25th weeding anniversary last May in Las Vegas and they had an official photographer who drove all the way from Los Angeles for the occasion, he was using a Canon. I don't know what model but big compare to my K20. When we were viewing the slides days after the wedding, the shots from my K20 are better looking. The color and the sharpness is very noticeable especially when viewing on a big screen tv, to which my sisters and nephews say they look at Pentax if they will go DSLRs.

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Donald B wrote:

Gerry Winterbourne wrote:

Sorry, Don - I agree that the Canon skin tones are wrong but the Pentax ones look just as bad in the opposite direction. The Pentax version looks as if she is sufering from jaundice, with even the eyes having a yellow cast. The Canon eyes look natural (although with no shadow detail - it's just the skin that's wrong in that one.

Hi gerry , when i hold my hand to the screen it looks the same skintone colour i think people are confused what is actually skintone ? they think its pink ? wrong.

Hi Don.  Is your monitor calibrated?  The skin tone I see is nothing like my hand; and as I said before, the whites of her eyes look yellow on my monitor.  This is the first time I've seen a face that colour out of all the Pentax shots posted here.

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your might be right gerry, their is a little yellow in the pic, i have plastic models with excelent skin tones that i shoot and then hold a printed pic up to the screen with the model and the camera lcd and ajust them all the same. if i auto colour in ps the colours are horrible (red-cold) so i always shoot a little warmer. its probily why the 5d is red and cold because the studio batch process and havent paid attention to prints or screen. all good fun, off to another shoot in 2 hours will take a little yellow out of my wb. when i do a test shot. you better be right or i will be blaiming you... LOL.

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Hi Don,

it maybe is too much to judge a system from a batch of photos sent by an agency. What I would certainly agree with is that pros with expensive equipment manage to get great income out of their photography while using equipment with great faults.

Now, I don't want to sound like a teacher or something, but I have seen promotianal digital prints of small to rather big sizes with lenses that are not calibrated with the body, having strong FF or BF, WB varing from print to print from very warm to very cold and back again to very warm, with a crazy-soft corner (just one of four) etc. These were from pros with huge experience that manage to understand the project and making quickly important modifications at the time of shooting. However, in various technical parts of their work (AF Fine tuning, WB calibration of monitor and prints) they had serious problems that they could not even detect.

In the Canon photo there is something wrong. WB aside, the subject possibly moved between prefocus and actual shutter triggering (user error), a AF-FA calibration issue, decentered optics that soften the picture, strong NR to kill the noise, intentional bluring or other issues. We can not be sure as it is only one shot with unknown exif. To my eyes though, it seems very possible though that there is at least some FF, but still, only a guess.

Your technic for WB tuning is possibly qood enough if the output of your work is prints only. But this does not ensure your monitor calibration. If acurrate results are needed for both monitor viewing and prints and then comparison using both media (screen/paper), I believe that one needs two calibration processes for both media and the validation would be that the comparison of screen, print and actual subject give perfect results. Lightning conditions during validation has a role here too. Also, each LCD has a limitation to the colour it can actually present. I think you probably know these since you compare prints/plastic model/screen, but screens loose their setting very easily. I know of a guy that does his LCD colour calibration every morning... Maybe his is too nervous with it, maybe he sees more that we do.

Your K7 with mastered technic and controled condition to help its inevitable (as any camera) handicaps can offer enough resolution and very pleasing skin tones. Skin tones may not be the strongest point for Canon, but they can do better than the sample sent to you. But this does not make K7 any worst:).

Happy shooting

Spyros

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