It's not about the gear! Portrait/wedding shooting with 4/3, YES WE CAN!

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Pman120
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It's not about the gear! Portrait/wedding shooting with 4/3, YES WE CAN!
Nov 4, 2012

Dear fellow photographers!

Unfortunately it happens a lot that I read people saying: "a real photographer needs a full frame camera"...

It's now been two year since my brother and I started to do some photography with our Olympus E-600 camera. We've done weddings, portraits etcetera. And wanted to share some of our photo's. Remember: ALL has been shot with Olympus 4/3 camera's!

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http://westerhuisenwesterhuis.nl/

Slideshow weddings:
http://westerhuisenwesterhuis.nl/impressie-bruiloften

Slideshow portraits:
http://westerhuisenwesterhuis.nl/portretten

Few total wedding shoots:
http://westerhuisenwesterhuis.nl/archives/1593
http://westerhuisenwesterhuis.nl/archives/1739
http://westerhuisenwesterhuis.nl/archives/1735

Hope that you like to see that it's not about the gear!

Regards!

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It is rather un-traditional how you do it
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I went through some of your portfolios and the stuff is fantastic.

Thank you for the links.

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What lenses do you use?  You definitely know how take Beautiful Pictures!!

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Thanks!

-ZUIKO 14-54mm F2.8-3.5 Version II
-ZUIKO 50mm F2
-Panasonic Leica 25mm F1.4

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Beautifully done.

Yes, we CAN. Of course

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SergeyGreen wrote:

I like this couple's work quite a lot,

http://meninenuotrauka.lt/lt/other/
http://meninenuotrauka.lt/lt/portraits/
http://meninenuotrauka.lt/lt/family/
http://meninenuotrauka.lt/lt/wedding/

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Hi Serge.... pman's photos are more down to earth. I like their work more.

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Very nice work, PM.

Much more expressive of the emotional content of the occasion - more 'human'; less stuffy; less traditional and less conventional.

Half the problem with people photography is getting people into position while keeping them happy and relaxed. A skill in its own right, IMNSHO. One that I largely lack, and appreciate the more so when I see it in others. Well done.

The main thing is to provide the clients with what they like. As long as you keep doing that, you are home and hosed ...

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John King wrote:

Very nice work, PM.

Half the problem with people photography ......

The main thing is to provide the clients with what they like. As long as you keep doing that, you are home and hosed ...

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Yes John. You are completely right.

Half the problem with people photography is that the photographer forgot who he is photographing for. Its now becoming centered towards his own vanity and flashy portfolios rather than client's likes, needs and wants.

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faith_ps wrote:

John King wrote:

Very nice work, PM.

Half the problem with people photography ......

The main thing is to provide the clients with what they like. As long as you keep doing that, you are home and hosed ...

Yes John. You are completely right.

Half the problem with people photography is that the photographer forgot who he is photographing for. Its now becoming centered towards his own vanity and flashy portfolios rather than client's likes, needs and wants.

...a person contracting a photographer for a job would have some sort of idea of what the photographer was going to provide, based on his portfolio and what they agreed upon.

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If one has ever been in business of any kind as a proprietor, one very quickly realises that there are several very important things in business.

1) The customer usually knows what they wish to achieve; but is frequently confused or even wrong about how those ends can be achieved.

2) It is the duty of the business owner to apply their knowledge, skills and experience in ascertaining what the client needs, as distinct from their wants, and communicating these ideas to their client.

3) Having done the exercise in (2), then coming to mutual agreement with the client as to how those needs and wants can best be achieved, and the possible compromises necessarily involved. Most problems can be overcome with sufficient money hurled at them, but usually this is very much not an available solution ... - most of us have some monetary constraints in our lives. Some more, some less so.

4) Delivering the agreed outcome in a satisfactory manner for both business and client, and within the time frame envisaged by the client ...

5) Following up with the client (if appropriate, dependant on the nature of the business) regarding satisfaction of the client with the results.

If all this bears a striking resemblance to the Total Quality Management (TQM) process, it's hardly surprising. It's where I learned the above from back in my studies for my accounting degree.

One can read more about TQM here:
http://asq.org/learn-about-quality/total-quality-management/overview/overview.html

With a bit of re-jigging, this process can be applied in any business, not just in manufacturing, IMO.

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faith_ps wrote:

John King wrote:

Very nice work, PM.

Half the problem with people photography ......

The main thing is to provide the clients with what they like. As long as you keep doing that, you are home and hosed ...

Yes John. You are completely right.

Half the problem with people photography is that the photographer forgot who he is photographing for. Its now becoming centered towards his own vanity and flashy portfolios rather than client's likes, needs and wants.

...a person contracting a photographer for a job would have some sort of idea of what the photographer was going to provide, based on his portfolio and what they agreed upon.

Agreed Great B.

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faith_ps wrote:

Yes John. You are completely right.

Half the problem with people photography is that the photographer forgot who he is photographing for. Its now becoming centered towards his own vanity and flashy portfolios rather than client's likes, needs and wants.

I agree to some extent, but I'd probably argue louder that many (most?) photographers believe good client photos stem from quality images and quality gear - i.e. sharp images, in-focus, blurred background, etc. etc.  I believe many photographers either forget, never learned, or don't care to learn (too stubborn) why clients like the photos they do.

I've had so many clients who like some of my "worst" photos (from a technical perspective), simply because the they liked the smile, they liked their hair, or their arms didn't look too big.  For people photography, specifically when a client hires a photographer to deliver images, 90% of the customer satisfaction comes from images where ​the client sees themselves as perfect​.  It doesn't stem from the image itself being perfect.

To that extent, even when I'm on location doing a paid shoot, I'll make sure I check the boxes for the images I know they'll love, then I'll start working outside the box.  And if I still have time (which I often plan for), I take images that strengthen my portfolio specifically, or that help me learn, but these images may be of little or no use to the client (for the intended shoot).

Here's an example, of an image the clients fell in love with (and I knew they would):

Next, here's an image which is of absolutely no use to the clients (because they wouldn't like it), but was of tremendous help to myself.  It helped me learn what it takes to overpower the sun with a single 43" umbrella, and told me that one umbrella wasn't enough to even out the light, despite having plenty of flash power (1/2 power).  And even though this was taken on location, during a client session, it only benefits me:

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Some lovely images there, thanks for sharing. [nt]
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Wedding Photography with Four Thirds + Micro Four Thirds cameras http://www.flickr.com/groups/43weddings/

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Fantastic work, both shooting and post processing. I really like it a lot !

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Just doing a quick run-through of the portraits, I really like what you have done. Looks like they are all with the 25mm at f2.5, iso 100 1/60. I assume that's because you are using flash creatively, and find those settings good overall, even at night.

Keep it up...very inspiring stuff.

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Great gallery of images. Coincidentally I took one like your backlit images this past weekend at a wedding. See it here in the Weekly 4/3 Photo thread:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50204264

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jkrumm wrote:

Just doing a quick run-through of the portraits, I really like what you have done. Looks like they are all with the 25mm at f2.5, iso 100 1/60. I assume that's because you are using flash creatively, and find those settings good overall, even at night.

Keep it up...very inspiring stuff.

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Dear Jkrumm! Thanks for the compliment! However your analysis is not exactly correct! Almost all of them are either with the Pana Leica 25 F1.4 or either the 50mm F2. All are shot with the light available. No flash was used or whatsoever!

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