Would you straight swap your 70-200 F2.8 II for the new F4 version?

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Digital Click
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Would you straight swap your 70-200 F2.8 II for the new F4 version?
Oct 24, 2012

Hi All

Seriously considering this.  I just wondered if a dealer might do this and if so, I think I would be tempted. The 2.8 is an amazing lens but not always practical.

What would you do?

TK

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I am thinking of swapping but hoping to come out with a little extra money to buy the f___g tripod collar !

Need to see tests first though

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Digital Click wrote:

Hi All

Seriously considering this.  I just wondered if a dealer might do this and if so, I think I would be tempted. The 2.8 is an amazing lens but not always practical.

What would you do?

TK

I'm actually trying to understand how I would use this lens differently from my Tamron 70-300mm VC lens. The Tamron proved to be amazingly sharp and delivered beyond my expectations and has a really good VC mechanism. Agreed its a stop slower at the telephoto end, but it's longer and costs only $350 brand new, so buying this Nikon lens for a $1,000 wouldn't make sense to me.

Now the 70-200mm F/2.8 is a whole other beast and would be money well spent, so no, if I were you, I don't see why I would replace one Nikon lens for the other; if the point is to save money, I'd probably replace with the Tamron.

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If I had the option then, yes, I might do. Much as I like the 2.8 lens, it is not something I enjoy carrying around all day. Sure I would miss the 2.8 on occasions, but the weight saving would be a big plus.

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No, I don't want to do it.  I need the 2.8 for low light shooting.

But I do understand your point.  I actually am looking forward to buying a 70-210 AF-D lens for vacation/travel/walk-around purposes.

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In reply to Digital Click, Oct 24, 2012

Digital Click wrote:

Hi All

Seriously considering this.  I just wondered if a dealer might do this and if so, I think I would be tempted. The 2.8 is an amazing lens but not always practical.

What would you do?

I might see adding this lens but never swapping a 70-200 f2.8 for it. In the situations I purchased the 70-200 f2.8, low light sports/events,  a 70-200 f4 simply wouldn't be up to the task.  I'd be back to needing a 70-200 f2.8 again and mine is already paid for.

On the other hand, I could see swapping my 16-35 f4/24-120 f4 for a 1635f2.8VRIII/24-120f2.8VRIII. The weight/size simply never bothers me as I still use the 70-200 f2.8 as a walk around lens anyways.

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In reply to Mako2011, Oct 24, 2012

The 70-200 F4 is not going to be the great potrait machine that the 2.8 version is. Not even close. I'd expect the 70-200 F4 to be sharper than the 70-300 VR. But then again the 70-300 VR is also sharp, works well to 280-300mm (some samples are better than others) and has nice bokeh.

The 70-200 VRII is insanely sharp at 200mm wide open. Why would I want to be stuck at F4?

The ONLY reason to get the 70-200 F4 is if you find the VRII version too heavy. For the price of the F4 you can get a used 70-200 2.8 for two hundred more. But it's true; the excellent abilities of the Nikon and Tamron 70-300 really do threaten the real-world value of the new F4.

Obviously I have no interest in the 2nd rate F4 at a focal length (150-200) that is crucial for portraits.

Robert

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Swap it? No, never. The very idea is ridiculous. I'd sooner swap a Corvette for a coconut.

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Swap it? No, never. The very idea is ridiculous. I'd sooner swap a Corvette for a coconut.

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This, with the addition of:  Never in a million years!

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It very much looks like the f4 will be popular with those who have to carry it rather than shoot with it!!!

(I mean, in a kit bag on the off-chance they'll use it, rather than being in their hands ready for action at an event)

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Funny question... I suppose someone would invariably ask it.

No, I would not. I make full use of the f/2.8 on my 70-200 VR II. Amazing lens. Let's see what the test results are for this lens. It's a Nikkor lens, so I'm sure it won't be any slouch; it may even be better in terms of overall IQ than the VR II. Also, VR III (on this lens) claims to give 5 stop advantage!!! I have no doubts it will be a good (possibly great) lens, but if someone already has the VR-II, I don't know if it makes a lot of sense to replace it with this one.

The lens is about $1000 less than the f2.8; which is a good/great price for getting the latest Nikkor technology, but one has to carefully consider why $1000 less. It's a relatively good price differential. There are reasons for that (f2.8 vs f4) alone would account for the difference. The IQ may be same or better on the newer lens, but it's that damn f2.8 folks.

And what's with the 67mm filter size???

People will have varying reasons for getting the f/4, but the price cannot be ignored.

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No. I can see people going from f4 to f2.8 as many canon guys have, but unless you shoot lanscapes, have fear of its weight or size, there is no advantage except cost.

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Digital Click wrote:

Seriously considering this.  I just wondered if a dealer might do this and if so, I think I would be tempted. The 2.8 is an amazing lens but not always practical.

Read some of the comments here, they might help you decide. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50125280

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Like the others NO way

I shoot 99% of the time with the 70-200 2.8 at 2.8, its why I have that lense.  If I knew I was going to do F4 or more most of the time I'd just get the 70-300 Nikon or Tamron, even smaller, lighther and IQ not much different.

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nikkorwatcher wrote:

It very much looks like the f4 will be popular with those who have to carry it rather than shoot with it!!!

(I mean, in a kit bag on the off-chance they'll use it, rather than being in their hands ready for action at an event)

What I am realizing is that this lens is for like a mountain hicker or something, i mean, why would anyone sacrifice a 2.8 for low light and BOKE??  Im i wrong?  What Nikon should have made is a 70-300 f4 VRIII.  What are they thinking???

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Hell yeah. If I had to launch a system from scratch I reckon I'd kick my designers into a 70-200 f2.8, 100-300 f4, and 120-400 f5.6 all AFS & VR equivalents. And not try to launch ANY 70-200 f4 @ $1400. It really smacks of milking a captive market.

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No, I wouldn't swap. I can see picking up the F4 for when I don't feel like getting exercise lugging the 2.8 around.

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Hey... I've done the same! However, since I also own the 105vr, I now consider selling the VRII and getting the f4 zoom and my 180 f2.8D back from his current owner... I will wait to try the new lens first, in case I'll decide towards the change, ...you can have my 70-210 and HN-24 hood in mint condition....

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DRode wrote:

Swap it? No, never. The very idea is ridiculous. I'd sooner swap a Corvette for a coconut.

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Well... You're NOT getting my coconut!!!

Worth way more than a gass guzzling Corvett... At a push, i'd trade for an AC Cobra. though,  need to think long and hard first!!!

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