Nikon needs to make a constant f/4 tele

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Joe Marques Veteran Member • Posts: 5,963
Re: Nikon needs to make a constant f/4 tele

hikerdoc wrote:

if it does not need to be Nikon both Sigma (1250 USD) and Tamron (new model) have 70-200 f/2.8 with stabilization

I've tested the Sigma and owned the older Tamron (better IQ than the Sigma but no "VR"). The Canon 70-200 f4 is a better performing lens than either at 1/2 the price (and sells very well as a result).  So I think the market would be similarly strong with a Nikon version.

Joe

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Zardoz Senior Member • Posts: 1,249
Re: Nikon needs to make a constant f/4 tele

Hey bro,

As excited as I am about that lens, I think the cost is going to be prohibitive considering my requirement to purchase 10 copies from different locations around the world in order to obtain a copy of the finest optical quality.

Leonard Shepherd
Leonard Shepherd Forum Pro • Posts: 10,596
Re: Nikon needs to make a constant f/4 tele

Those of us using Nikon for more than a decade have been asking for a 70-200 f4 VR for around 10 years.

I sold my 300 f4 AF-s and 80-400 VR 3.5 years ago having convinced myself upgrades should be due. I am still waiting!

Digressing the Thailand flood may have delayed some lens launches. The availability of better and more affordable FX bodies probably means Nikon are now very busy increasing existing FX lens production.

My guess is, but for the Thailand flood, a 70-200 f4 VR (or similar) would have followed the 16-35 and 24-120 f4 optics.

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photoad Contributing Member • Posts: 571
Re: Nikon needs to make a constant f/4 tele

Leonard Shepherd wrote:

Those of us using Nikon for more than a decade have been asking for a 70-200 f4 VR for around 10 years.

I sold my 300 f4 AF-s and 80-400 VR 3.5 years ago having convinced myself upgrades should be due. I am still waiting!

Digressing the Thailand flood may have delayed some lens launches. The availability of better and more affordable FX bodies probably means Nikon are now very busy increasing existing FX lens production.

My guess is, but for the Thailand flood, a 70-200 f4 VR (or similar) would have followed the 16-35 and 24-120 f4 optics.

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NO NO NO

Fast glass.

There is no substitute for fast glass.  All these threads give Nikon the idea that F4 and worse is a good idea.  Why take 10,000 dull photographs at F4 when you can take a great one at F1.4?  Head for the stars, wallowing in mediocrity is a waste of life.   Let start asking for a fixed F2.0 zoom and F1.0 primes.

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cna Forum Member • Posts: 83
waiting for a 70-200vr4 for more than 5 years

I've been waiting for a high quality 70-200vr4 zoom for more than 5 years (similar to the Canon 70-200L4IS)

I already have the very nice 180 afd 2.8 lens. But there are many occasions when I miss the flexibility of a lightweight zoom (I do not want to carry the 70-200vr2.8)

Cheers,

Philippe

olynik969 Senior Member • Posts: 1,436
Yup.... Canon has had 'em.... But...

No Nikon reply. The lack of a 70-200 f/4 option has been discussed for a long time on the Nikon forums.

The Canon 70-200 F/4 is simply excellent, I have one... (I shoot both systems), and they are now offering an "L-Class" 70-300 variable aperture lens. Very nice options; definitely missing from Nikon's lens offerings.

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PatrickP Contributing Member • Posts: 716
NikonRumors suggesting it would be announced next week!

Here we are!!!

http://nikonrumors.com/2012/10/17/breaking-nikon-70-200mm-f4-lens-with-next-generation-vr-to-be-announced-next-week.aspx/

I am guessing US$1500 MSRP.

olynik969 wrote:

No Nikon reply. The lack of a 70-200 f/4 option has been discussed for a long time on the Nikon forums.

The Canon 70-200 F/4 is simply excellent, I have one... (I shoot both systems), and they are now offering an "L-Class" 70-300 variable aperture lens. Very nice options; definitely missing from Nikon's lens offerings.

Bob

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Glen78 OP Contributing Member • Posts: 704
Re: NikonRumors suggesting it would be announced next week!

Wow, I should suggest a new lens I want to Nikon more often! This lens may be my Christmas gift to myself! Now all I need from Nikon is a 35 f/2G that has as good of performance as my 50 f/1.8G and a VR version of the 300 f/4 and I think I will be set for lenses.

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emax Senior Member • Posts: 1,920
Yahooooo

Thanks for the good news, Patrick.

I don't suspect the price will be good news, though.

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showmetheprime Regular Member • Posts: 193
Re: NikonRumors suggesting it would be announced next week!

Glen78 wrote:

Wow, I should suggest a new lens I want to Nikon more often! This lens may be my Christmas gift to myself! Now all I need from Nikon is a 35 f/2G that has as good of performance as my 50 f/1.8G and a VR version of the 300 f/4 and I think I will be set for lenses.

With respect, a patent was filed a LONG time ago, it's been in the planning longer than the last 2 days

SethG Contributing Member • Posts: 897
Re: Yahooooo

I don't know what the hubbub is all about. I've had a Nikon 70-210 f/4 for years!

(it was one of their first AF lenses in the mid-80s)

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John Motts Veteran Member • Posts: 5,091
Re: Nikon needs to make a constant f/4 tele

photoad wrote:

NO NO NO

Fast glass.

There is no substitute for fast glass.  All these threads give Nikon the idea that F4 and worse is a good idea.  Why take 10,000 dull photographs at F4 when you can take a great one at F1.4?  Head for the stars, wallowing in mediocrity is a waste of life.   Let start asking for a fixed F2.0 zoom and F1.0 primes.

Sorry if I'm being a bit slow here, but this is a joke, right?

michaeladawson Veteran Member • Posts: 9,345
Re: NikonRumors suggesting it would be announced next week!

Certainly interested in this lens.  But I have to ask...

Wouldn't the Sigma or Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 be serious options to the Nikon f/4 offering?  The Nikon f/4 lenses that have been released to-date are not as good as their f/2.8 siblings.  I have the 24-120 f/4 and I love it.  But it is not the optical quality of the 24-70.  It simply has a a better zoom range that I like.

If  Nikon releases this new lens at upwards of $1500 in price I think I would rather take that money and buy an f/2.8 Tamron or Sigma.   The IQ will likely be as good and it is a stop better.

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PatrickP Contributing Member • Posts: 716
Re: NikonRumors suggesting it would be announced next week!

The main attraction is weight savings. Nikon lenses tend to be a tad heavier than their Canon equiv, but this one should weight no more than 2 pounds. If this lens does not have the focus breathing issue on the latest 70-200 f/2.8 VR2 which weights 3.4 pounds, then all the better. While none of the third party options are light weight....

Nano-coating is also another major attraction.

As for the f/4 series the 16-35 is good but the 24-120 is so-so. (I own both) I am also skeptical of this new one given the track record of the f/4 series. I would rather wait until the photozone review before committing to one myself.

michaeladawson wrote:

Certainly interested in this lens.  But I have to ask...

Wouldn't the Sigma or Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 be serious options to the Nikon f/4 offering?  The Nikon f/4 lenses that have been released to-date are not as good as their f/2.8 siblings.  I have the 24-120 f/4 and I love it.  But it is not the optical quality of the 24-70.  It simply has a a better zoom range that I like.

If  Nikon releases this new lens at upwards of $1500 in price I think I would rather take that money and buy an f/2.8 Tamron or Sigma.   The IQ will likely be as good and it is a stop better.

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PatrickP Contributing Member • Posts: 716
Re: Yahooooo

Let's do some math:

14-24/2.8 : US$1999.    16-35/4 : US$1259 .  Cost 63% as much as the f/2.8 version.

24-70/2.8 : US$1899     24-120/4 : US$1299.  68%.

70-200/2.8 : US$2399.  If 70-200/4 cost 65% as much it would be $1559. The "next generation VR" would likely push the price higher :(.

emax wrote:

Thanks for the good news, Patrick.

I don't suspect the price will be good news, though.

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