Upgrading to D600 with these lenses?

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robb01
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Upgrading to D600 with these lenses?
Oct 15, 2012

I currently use a D90, and with the release of the D600 I'm really wanting to upgrade. My reasons for upgrading would mainly be IQ. I want the best image quality that I can get, while staying within my budget.

My question is, I know my current lenses will work with the D600, but how well will they work? I currently have:

Tokina 12-24

Nikon 35mm 1.8G

Nikon 50mm 1.8d

Tamron 18-200

Nikon 28-105

Is it worthwhile to upgrade with these lenses?

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In reply to robb01, Oct 15, 2012

You're going to need some new glass. Most of those lenses are DX lenses. The 50mm is fine, and the 28-105 will work, although I don't know whether that's considered a "good" lens or not. If you want to go cheap, get an 85mm f/1.8 and 35mm f/2. Otherwise plan on getting the 24-120 f/4

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In reply to robb01, Oct 15, 2012

robb01 wrote:

I currently use a D90, and with the release of the D600 I'm really wanting to upgrade. My reasons for upgrading would mainly be IQ. I want the best image quality that I can get, while staying within my budget.

My question is, I know my current lenses will work with the D600, but how well will they work? I currently have:

Tokina 12-24

DX, will not work properly

Nikon 35mm 1.8G

DX. will not work properly

Nikon 50mm 1.8d

FX, ok

Tamron 18-200

DX, will not work properly

Nikon 28-105

FX, ok

Is it worthwhile to upgrade with these lenses?

Only FX lenses will work properly on an FX Camera like D600. Buy the Kit with the 24-85 VR lens. It's sharper than most lenses above. Sell the DX lenses on eBay, it will most likely cover the added cost of the kit lens.

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webfrasse wrote:

robb01 wrote:

I currently use a D90, and with the release of the D600 I'm really wanting to upgrade. My reasons for upgrading would mainly be IQ. I want the best image quality that I can get, while staying within my budget.

My question is, I know my current lenses will work with the D600, but how well will they work? I currently have:

Tokina 12-24

DX, will not work properly

Nikon 35mm 1.8G

DX. will not work properly

Nikon 50mm 1.8d

FX, ok

Tamron 18-200

DX, will not work properly


Nikon 28-105

FX, ok

Is it worthwhile to upgrade with these lenses?

Only FX lenses will work properly on an FX Camera like D600. Buy the Kit with the 24-85 VR lens. It's sharper than most lenses above. Sell the DX lenses on eBay, it will most likely cover the added cost of the kit lens.


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All those DX lenses will "work properly" on the D600 in DX mode.  Note that the DX mode on the D600 is about a 10.1 mpx file as compared to your 12 mpx D90 file.  The D600 has considerably better noise performance than your D90 - so you give up some resolution and gain some high ISO performance.  If you want to take full advantage of an FX camera, I agree that you want to use high quality FX lenses.

I no longer equate image quality with megapixels.  I have two friends who both shoot 10 mpx cameras (one's a canon, one's a Nikon D100) and both are better photographers than I am.  I have also seen some fine images from a nikon V1.  The question is what about the IQ of your D90 are you not happy with?

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webfrasse wrote:

robb01 wrote:

I currently use a D90, and with the release of the D600 I'm really wanting to upgrade. My reasons for upgrading would mainly be IQ. I want the best image quality that I can get, while staying within my budget.

My question is, I know my current lenses will work with the D600, but how well will they work? I currently have:

Tokina 12-24

DX, will not work properly

Nikon 35mm 1.8G

DX. will not work properly

Nikon 50mm 1.8d

FX, ok

Tamron 18-200

DX, will not work properly


Nikon 28-105

FX, ok

Is it worthwhile to upgrade with these lenses?

Only FX lenses will work properly on an FX Camera like D600. Buy the Kit with the 24-85 VR lens. It's sharper than most lenses above. Sell the DX lenses on eBay, it will most likely cover the added cost of the kit lens.


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All those DX lenses will "work properly" on the D600 in DX mode.  Note that the DX mode on the D600 is about a 10.1 mpx file as compared to your 12 mpx D90 file.  The D600 has considerably better noise performance than your D90 - so you give up some resolution and gain some high ISO performance.  If you want to take full advantage of an FX camera, I agree that you want to use high quality FX lenses.

I no longer equate image quality with megapixels.  I have two friends who both shoot 10 mpx cameras (one's a canon, one's a Nikon D100) and both are better photographers than I am.  I have also seen some fine images from a nikon V1.  The question is what about the IQ of your D90 are you not happy with?

Yeah, spend +2000 on an FX body and put DX lenses on it...I don't call that properly but ok...go ahead. It's not my money.

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In reply to webfrasse, Oct 16, 2012

In your case it could be a good idea to get the replacement of the D7000.....

that will have the 24MP sensor .... in good light it will be as good as the

D600 and in higher iso it will be 1 stop behind the D600..

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the 12-24 will work okay from about 19mm up...eventually you'll probably want to replace it, but your images aren't going to be too bad with it.

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Try some shots with your 35mm 1.8 DX at 2.8 ish but in FX mode, and see if the vignetting is acceptable. Try each stop and see what you get.

Use the same lens on the same subject in DX mode, and see which makes the "better" image.

I tried this, and was pleased with how well the DX mode worked (but I upgraded from a D80, which had similar MP to D600 in DX) as well as how I could crop out vignetting in FX mode and still have a nice image.

However, I will not use the 35mm for long and will try to find a better FX lens (maybe the 24-85 VR) in that range.

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herbymel wrote:

the 12-24 will work okay from about 19mm up...eventually you'll probably want to replace it, but your images aren't going to be too bad with it.

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Yup, I use the Tokina on my D700 and now my D600. It works out incredibly well. I originally started using it as a stop gap until I could find a FX wide zoom. That was a few years ago. I'm still using the Tokina.

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Is vignetting bad with the Tokina, not really quite sure how that works yet

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In reply to robb01, Oct 17, 2012

Just another quick question, didn't realize there was a dx mode on the fx cameras, if the d600 in dx is 10.1 mp, what is it on the D800?

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robb01 wrote:

Just another quick question, didn't realize there was a dx mode on the fx cameras, if the d600 in dx is 10.1 mp, what is it on the D800?

Just below 16 MP (15.3, I THINK).

ALSO: you can force DX mode and use an FX lens if you wish, and some say that this "extra reach" is worthwhile, whereas others report that simply cropping the FX image is better quality image due to the 36 MP of a D800 - or a tossup with the D600's 24 MP - (YMMV).

I am still learning D600 and am not sure, but suspect this depends on what focal length AND distance to the image focus point you have chose to crop from or "DX reach".

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EYeye wrote:

robb01 wrote:

Just another quick question, didn't realize there was a dx mode on the fx cameras, if the d600 in dx is 10.1 mp, what is it on the D800?

Just below 16 MP (15.3, I THINK).

ALSO: you can force DX mode and use an FX lens if you wish, and some say that this "extra reach" is worthwhile, whereas others report that simply cropping the FX image is better quality image due to the 36 MP of a D800 - or a tossup with the D600's 24 MP - (YMMV).

I am still learning D600 and am not sure, but suspect this depends on what focal length AND distance to the image focus point you have chose to crop from or "DX reach".

I think what I'm mostly considering now is selling all of my current equipment, and getting the D600 with the 24-85 f/ 3.5, that will cover all my current focal lengths and be an fx lens

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robb01 wrote:

I think what I'm mostly considering now is selling all of my current equipment, and getting the D600 with the 24-85 f/ 3.5, that will cover all my current focal lengths and be an fx lens

Keep the 50mm 1.8d

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CFynn wrote:

robb01 wrote:

I think what I'm mostly considering now is selling all of my current equipment, and getting the D600 with the 24-85 f/ 3.5, that will cover all my current focal lengths and be an fx lens

Keep the 50mm 1.8d

That's what I did (sold my D7K, 16-85MM VR is still for sale on Ebay) and bought 50mm 1.8G to go along with kit lens. Although it's a kit lens, IMO, it has fast AF, great IQ and is very light. Definitely cheaper than the 24-70 2.8 which costs 3X as much.

I also have Siggy 70-200 2.8 OS DG HSM and its superb on this camera.

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robb01 wrote:

I think what I'm mostly considering now is selling all of my current equipment, and getting the D600 with the 24-85 f/ 3.5, that will cover all my current focal lengths and be an fx lens

No, it won't.  Consider the crop factor.  Your 18 -200 on your D90 is equivalent to a 27-300 on an FX camera.  Your 12-24 on the D90 is equivalent to an 18 -36 on an FX.  You'll have the middle covered with the 24-85, but not the wide or long end.

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robb01 wrote:

Is vignetting bad with the Tokina, not really quite sure how that works yet

That's the oddity of some of the Tokina lenses. With the Tokina 12-24, from about 18.5 to 24mm, you'd be hard pressed to tell it is a DX lens. (The 18mm-19mm barrier seems to vary from sample to sample or user to user but that is where the boundary looks to be.) Once you go wider than that limit, you'll see the black box and internals creep into frame. Not much point in shooting this lens in DX mode since 12mm in DX is roughly the field of view you'll get in FX mode.

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In reply to robb01, Oct 21, 2012

robb01 wrote:

I currently use a D90, and with the release of the D600 I'm really wanting to upgrade. My reasons for upgrading would mainly be IQ. I want the best image quality that I can get, while staying within my budget.

My question is, I know my current lenses will work with the D600, but how well will they work? I currently have:

Tokina 12-24

Nikon 35mm 1.8G

Nikon 50mm 1.8d

Tamron 18-200

Nikon 28-105

Is it worthwhile to upgrade with these lenses?

Tokina 12-24 works fine. You have different options:

- use from 19-24 FF

- use with crop 1.2 from 15mm

- use dx and slill plenty full 12-24 obviuosly.

And you will see vignetting from lens hood and filters  - so take it away. It adds you 1-2mm coverage wide.

in my quick tests there were no degrade in border IQ, even in extremes. Center IQ is better than D300.

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In reply to robb01, Oct 21, 2012

keep the 35mm 1.8.  I did and it works great in FX mode.  You will have some vignetting in the corners but you dont really notice if you use it for low light like i do.  Inside of bars, restaurants or night on the street its nice to have the 1.8 aperture

Is it the sharpest lens in the world in the corners?  probably not, but it works great for what i want to use it for.  Afterall im printing at most 8x10 not 24x36.

If you are doing landscapes chose a different lens.

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webfrasse wrote:

robb01 wrote:

I currently use a D90, and with the release of the D600 I'm really wanting to upgrade. My reasons for upgrading would mainly be IQ. I want the best image quality that I can get, while staying within my budget.

My question is, I know my current lenses will work with the D600, but how well will they work? I currently have:

Tokina 12-24

DX, will not work properly

Nikon 35mm 1.8G

DX. will not work properly

Nikon 50mm 1.8d

FX, ok

Tamron 18-200

DX, will not work properly


Nikon 28-105

FX, ok

Is it worthwhile to upgrade with these lenses?

Only FX lenses will work properly on an FX Camera like D600. Buy the Kit with the 24-85 VR lens. It's sharper than most lenses above. Sell the DX lenses on eBay, it will most likely cover the added cost of the kit lens.


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All these lenses will work, but most only in DX mode! I began with roughly the same setup, but already had the 85/1.8G, the 50/1.4G, and the FX-capable AF-S 70-300 VR, but I got the Samyang 1.8/24 to complement the setup.

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