I want to try film!!!

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thegreat26
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I want to try film!!!
Sep 27, 2012

Well not much to say. I just wanted to share it with you. A lot of people around me keep telling me about the old film days and that photography was something special back then.

I keep saying that i am not a photographer but an artist and since photoshop, lightroom, photomatix and so many more software suites are there for us is not a crime to use them.

But deep inside me i know that digital era is much easier and probably i am not the only one here who feels like that.
So what i did....................................

I ve just bought a Pentax ME super to prove everybody wrong. To prove that a digital guy can go analogue as well.

Well just wish me good luck. (And in the end of the day i will have one more piece of art in my hands).
Cheers.

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In reply to thegreat26, Sep 27, 2012

I shoot film as well as digital, and own everything from toy plastic cameras to a nice Nikon 35Ti. Shooting film is a blast. Waiting to get your prints back is fun. And learning how to work within the limitations of simple film cameras will actually teach you a LOT about shooting digital, as well as making you a better photographer.

You picked a nice camera to learn on. I would also encourage you to pick up a toy 120 Holga and learn how to actually take good pictures with it. Holgas are so ridiculously limited that you will uncover a lot about photographic technique by working with one. For less than the cost of a lens hood, you can buy a Holga, a few rolls of 120 film, and some quality developing. I've found my Holga to be a grand adventure.

Also, a few resources:
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http://www.holgamods.com

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Break a leg!!!

You will love it.
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Good luck. It will change they way to take pictures and how think about photography. When you look at the counter and see you only have 3 shots left you will be much more critical of what you shoot with those last three shots.
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thegreat26 wrote:

Well not much to say. I just wanted to share it with you. A lot of people around me keep telling me about the old film days and that photography was something special back then.

I keep saying that i am not a photographer but an artist and since photoshop, lightroom, photomatix and so many more software suites are there for us is not a crime to use them.

But deep inside me i know that digital era is much easier and probably i am not the only one here who feels like that.
So what i did....................................

I ve just bought a Pentax ME super to prove everybody wrong. To prove that a digital guy can go analogue as well.

Well just wish me good luck. (And in the end of the day i will have one more piece of art in my hands).
Cheers.

Good luck then!

I must say that I personally feel, that despite the clear advantages, digital photography still hasn't yet reached the level where it has the same awe inspiring effect on me that the better film photography had and still has.

Sometes I see prints that simply captivate me, prints from film photography that is.

I guess it has something, or much, to do with the seemingly endless exposure latitude with film photography, that makes it ideally suitable for magic play with light.

Exposure range is what made me go for the k5, but good as it is, it still is digital and hs the cursed limitations of digital. But I love it nontheless, and one day that digital sensor or technology will arise that can handle light the way film could.

Chris

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Chris Mak wrote:

thegreat26 wrote:

Well not much to say. I just wanted to share it with you. A lot of people around me keep telling me about the old film days and that photography was something special back then.

I keep saying that i am not a photographer but an artist and since photoshop, lightroom, photomatix and so many more software suites are there for us is not a crime to use them.

But deep inside me i know that digital era is much easier and probably i am not the only one here who feels like that.
So what i did....................................

I ve just bought a Pentax ME super to prove everybody wrong. To prove that a digital guy can go analogue as well.

Well just wish me good luck. (And in the end of the day i will have one more piece of art in my hands).
Cheers.

Good luck then!

I must say that I personally feel, that despite the clear advantages, digital photography still hasn't yet reached the level where it has the same awe inspiring effect on me that the better film photography had and still has.

Sometes I see prints that simply captivate me, prints from film photography that is.

I guess it has something, or much, to do with the seemingly endless exposure latitude with film photography, that makes it ideally suitable for magic play with light.

Exposure range is what made me go for the k5, but good as it is, it still is digital and hs the cursed limitations of digital. But I love it nontheless, and one day that digital sensor or technology will arise that can handle light the way film could.

Chris

well that will never happen. with film reflected light from the subject passes through the lens and actually etches into the film emulsion like an engraver. Both digital and film have their own glories, one is not better than the other.

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In reply to thegreat26, Sep 27, 2012

Good for you! I hope you find film as enjoyable as I have. About a year ago I picked up a Pentax 67, a few lenses and a cheap flat bed scanner and I haven't looked back since. Digital is great and offers a ton on conveniences, but film, and for me, particularly 120 roll film is just special.

I second the idea of getting a holga and having a go at medium format, if you develop yourself (which is easy enough), I find 120 film a lot easier to work with and the scans are much better IMO.

Best of luck to you!

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+1 What all the previous posters said.
No digital camera feels as good in the hand as an old metal, mechanical camera.
An ME Super is a great one to start on.
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Film is lots of fun - it's nice to focus on single images and make them as good as they can be on the first 'try' rather than have some of the luxuries of digital and spray-n-pray. You've got a good camera to start with - it will do most of what you will need and offer good IQ. Forget the 'Holga' advice - cheap plastic 'Holga' photography is the newest 'fad' in hipster land ... "look at those cool light leaks!". You've got a much more capable camera.

thegreat26 wrote:

Well not much to say. I just wanted to share it with you. A lot of people around me keep telling me about the old film days and that photography was something special back then.

I keep saying that i am not a photographer but an artist and since photoshop, lightroom, photomatix and so many more software suites are there for us is not a crime to use them.

But deep inside me i know that digital era is much easier and probably i am not the only one here who feels like that.
So what i did....................................

I ve just bought a Pentax ME super to prove everybody wrong. To prove that a digital guy can go analogue as well.

Well just wish me good luck. (And in the end of the day i will have one more piece of art in my hands).
Cheers.

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I'm going to be the odd man out here and say that I don't miss film a bit. The ability to switch ISO at any time and the instant feedback I get are just two things that make digital much better in my book. I never spent time in a darkroom and was always at the mercy of the developer for prints, so I really enjoy the personal control digital offers in raw development. And even if I had known my way around a darkroom, I cannot imagine I would prefer that to the simplicity and versatility of developing images digitally.

Maybe if I had an unlimited supply of time and money I might feel differently.

Nonetheless, I hope you find it as fun as most of the other folks here.

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In reply to Pentax_Prime, Sep 27, 2012

Yes, Holgas are a favorite fashion accessory of dirty hipsters, but that fact alone doesn't mean you should avoid them.

Learning to shoot with one shutter speed, one focal length, and one aperture is photography reduced to its bare essence. (I suppose a pinhole camera is even more primitive, and you should certainly try those too if you're so inclined). The only thing you get to control is film type and film speed. Putting aside all the hipster nonsense, Holgas have something to teach any photographer.

Plus you can brag that you're using a "sensor" (120 film) that is FOUR TIMES larger than the one in a Nikon D800.

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In reply to thegreat26, Sep 27, 2012

Other then disposables and a P&S i never really shot film then after 200,000 digital photos i went to film and love it! if you ever need manual lenses or another film camera i have many for sale on the other forum.
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In reply to thegreat26, Sep 27, 2012

Film has plenty of problems of its own which can be extremely frustrating. It is a delicate medium which needs toxic chemicals to process. You need to maintain a clean working environment - a single piece of grit will scratch an entire film. It deteriorates even with the best storage. It gets expensive very quickly. All is not rosy with the world of film.

I say this as someone who has a dozen film cameras and a full colour wet darkroom setup. I put a roll through my MZ-5 last week and one through my Auto110 today. I will be buying a 30m bulk roll of B&W next week to feed my film cameras and have a nostalgic play with my darkroom kit.

By all means try it but be realistic. It isn't really special at all, it is just a different type of sensor behind the lens. It is the bit behind the viewfinder that really matters.

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Good luck.

I still have the ME Super which I used for more than 15 years. It's a great camera and I'm very fond of it.

Film teaches you a discipline (and I used some 120-Roll film cameras from the 1920s as an experiment because I thought even the ME Super made things too easy), and working with black and white, and learning to make prints made me a better digital photographer. If you get used to working with manual focus, you'll understand my comments that AF is akin to witchcraft and people should shut up about its faults. You'll also want a manual focus enabled screen in your DSLR.

I miss Infra red film - IR digital isn't the same. I miss the tactile nature of film itself too, the rituals of working with it. But I'm not going back

I was a student when I got my MG and ME-Super, and the lenses I bought in the 1980s and kept till about 2002 were not as good as the ones I can afford now so it's not a straight comparison but the quality of prints from my DSLRs beats anything I shot on film. Enjoyable days spent in the darkroom generated a handful of decent black and white prints - with Hahnemuhle paper and K3 inks, light-room produces better ones on my Epson in minutes. That paper is expensive (so is the ink), but b&W prints had a high wastage rate, and I place a high value on my time. I'm miles ahead on time and ahead on money.

I paid for hand printed cibachromes in the 80's and again the Epson matches them, at a tenth of the price - after adjusting for inflation make that 1/50th the price.

The cost of film and processing was substatial. The most I ever shot in a day was 400 frames at a formula 1 race. Developing 11 rolls nearly bankrupted me. Now a memory card which holds 400 frames costs less than a processing a roll of film.

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People are definitely right about the price of film. Including processing, it has definitely become something of a luxury good. Then again, unless you make your living at it, serious digital photography is kind of a luxury good too.

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I second getting a holga to play with.
I just got the Holga 120PAN. 12x6 frames.

Yes IQ is not up there, but there is a feel to the holga that is hard to describe.

Mind you there are people around who have hacked their holgas to put a good lens on them and get pretty good results.

Adamant wrote:

I shoot film as well as digital, and own everything from toy plastic cameras to a nice Nikon 35Ti. Shooting film is a blast. Waiting to get your prints back is fun. And learning how to work within the limitations of simple film cameras will actually teach you a LOT about shooting digital, as well as making you a better photographer.

You picked a nice camera to learn on. I would also encourage you to pick up a toy 120 Holga and learn how to actually take good pictures with it. Holgas are so ridiculously limited that you will uncover a lot about photographic technique by working with one. For less than the cost of a lens hood, you can buy a Holga, a few rolls of 120 film, and some quality developing. I've found my Holga to be a grand adventure.

Also, a few resources:
http://www.thedarkroom.com (pro film developing for reasonable prices)
http://www.holgamods.com

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I bought the first *ist-D I saw, and have upgraded on roughly 3 year cycles ever since I traded the K10D for the K7 and the K7 for K5. That's cost me less than my film and processing bill. Much less. Which is why Kodak are in bankrupcy protection and it was worth Ricoh investing in Pentax.

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OK. Get a few rolls of Velvia 50 slide film. Shoot only landscapes and outdoor scenes with it - no closeups of people - and look for the scenes with lots of color contrast. Have it developed and scanned (I suggest Dwayne's photo dot com) and be prepared for some amazingly vibrant colors!

Now if I can just figure out how to duplicate that look with digital.... Most cameras try to capture something similar with a "Vibrant" style setting, but it's always lacking.

Anyone have recommended settings for a K-5 to emulate Velvia 50? Please, let me know how you do it.

I shoot film with a Canon EOS3 - I like my K-5 so far, but I'm sure I will forever shoot film. Good luck,

Mike Freeze

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Well i just have to wait for my new camera to arrive from USA then. Thanks for the replies.

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math guy wrote:

I'm going to be the odd man out here and say that I don't miss film a bit. The ability to switch ISO at any time and the instant feedback I get are just two things that make digital much better in my book. I never spent time in a darkroom and was always at the mercy of the developer for prints, so I really enjoy the personal control digital offers in raw development. And even if I had known my way around a darkroom, I cannot imagine I would prefer that to the simplicity and versatility of developing images digitally.

I'm with you, Joe. I shot film for over half a century (1953 - 2006) and for me that's enough. I'm different from you in one way - I had access to a darkroom in my early years and, at that age, the magic of developing and enlarging beat the actual taking of photos.

But if you can be bothered to visit my PBase galleries, where I've put a lot of my old pics, you'll see that my photograhy has improved as much in the few digital years as all the time before. Thay's not to say that my current output is all good - it clearly isn't - but my average has gone up.

There are quite a few things in this life that I'm glad I've done but wouldn't want to repeat. I think it's good for other people to try them too. Film photography is one of those things. I wish the OP fun and enjoyment.

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