Canon shuts down China factories

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trale
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Canon shuts down China factories
Sep 18, 2012

http://www.zdnet.com/cn/japanese-firms-suspend-operations-in-china-7000004343/

Doesn't sound good.

Wonder how this might affect prices (including discounts and rebates) and inventories...

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trale wrote:

http://www.zdnet.com/cn/japanese-firms-suspend-operations-in-china-7000004343/

Doesn't sound good.

Wonder how this might affect prices (including discounts and rebates) and inventories...

Might have some impact if the closures are prolonged.

This could be wake-up call number two: 1.) don't outsource and from last year 2.) don't build plants on the coast of Japan.

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Rick Knepper wrote:

trale wrote:

http://www.zdnet.com/cn/japanese-firms-suspend-operations-in-china-7000004343/

Doesn't sound good.

Wonder how this might affect prices (including discounts and rebates) and inventories...

Might have some impact if the closures are prolonged.

This could be wake-up call number two: 1.) don't outsource and from last year 2.) don't build plants on the coast of Japan.

Probably not too much impact on DSLRs and lenses but could possibly be some effect on compacts (depends what plants Canon have suspended operations in and for how long of course).

This is what is produced in the various Canon plants in China:

Canon Dalian Business Machines, Inc.
Toner cartridges, toner cartridge recycling, LBPs

Canon Zhuhai, Inc.

Compact cameras, digital cameras, LBPs, MFPs, image scanners, contact image sensors

Tianjin Canon Co., Ltd.
Manufacturing and sales of copying machines
Canon Zhongshan Business Machines, Co., Ltd.
LBPs

Canon (Suzhou) Inc.
Color and monochrome digital copying machines

Canon Finetech Industries Development Co., Ltd.
Manufacturing and sales of printers and business machine peripherals

Canon Finetech (Suzhou) Business Machines Inc.
Digital printers, peripherals, service parts

Guang-Dong United Optical Instrument Co., Ltd.
Compact cameras

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The riots will have significant effect on China's economy. With thousands of people out work and factories destroyed it will have a global effect with increased prices.

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That's always an issue with our new global economy. Whenever you outsource your products to another country, you are in danger of unintended consequences. Floods in Thailand, poor infrastructure, political unrest, corrupt bureaucrats, massive power failures (India), workers who have a differing work ethic, different environmental rules, creating unemployment in your own country, etc. etc. etc. I wonder how much Canon really "saved" by outsourcing to China?

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hotdog321 wrote:

That's always an issue with our new global economy. Whenever you outsource your products to another country, you are in danger of unintended consequences. Floods in Thailand, poor infrastructure, political unrest, corrupt bureaucrats, massive power failures (India), workers who have a differing work ethic, different environmental rules, creating unemployment in your own country, etc. etc. etc. I wonder how much Canon really "saved" by outsourcing to China?

A lot.

And it has enable China to be opened up as a market for them to sell into.

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Oh, well. Figured as much.

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hotdog321 wrote:

That's always an issue with our new global economy. Whenever you outsource your products to another country, you are in danger of unintended consequences. Floods in Thailand, poor infrastructure, political unrest, corrupt bureaucrats, massive power failures (India), workers who have a differing work ethic, different environmental rules, creating unemployment in your own country, etc. etc. etc. I wonder how much Canon really "saved" by outsourcing to China?

I don't understand your logic. Couldn't all or some of those events occur in any country, including your own? So if one of Canon's factories in Japan is affected by an earthquake, let's say, wouldn't Canon wish it DID outsource the work done at that factory to say, Malaysia, which is outside of any earthquake zone?

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Just a general observation. All cultures are different with differing regional infrastructures. For instance, some areas of the US have an aging power grid or poor road/bridge system or different environmental laws. But generally, you are less likely to suffer from unintended consequences closer to home.

California: fires and flood. Arizona: water shortage. Texas: hurricanes and tornado. New Jersey: Kardashians.

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hotdog321 wrote:

That's always an issue with our new global economy. Whenever you outsource your products to another country, you are in danger of unintended consequences. Floods in Thailand, poor infrastructure, political unrest, corrupt bureaucrats, massive power failures (India), workers who have a differing work ethic, different environmental rules, creating unemployment in your own country, etc. etc. etc. I wonder how much Canon really "saved" by outsourcing to China?

I don't understand your logic. Couldn't all or some of those events occur in any country, including your own? So if one of Canon's factories in Japan is affected by an earthquake, let's say, wouldn't Canon wish it DID outsource the work done at that factory to say, Malaysia, which is outside of any earthquake zone?

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Historical note: China v. Japan
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LONG HISTORY of conflict here, some within living memory. Note that Japan has never officially apologized for the 1937 Nanjing Massacre. The Chinese populace is more easily roused by anti-Japan sentiments than other (presumably Party-initiated) anti- sentiments, due to this bitter history. Yes the Japanese have changed. But I know American Jews, who had no close relatives die in the Holocaust, still refuse to consider buying German goods like VW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

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Good for them. I knew a couple of Jews that drove BMW's-I thougt it to be strange given the history. Why do they vote for deomcrats? Have you noticed how the Dems and the Administration are treating Israel?

The world is starting to go up in flames. It is becoming dangerous. Save you money and buy silver and food that you can store.

Cameras and lenses will be cheap on ebay soon.

Scarry.

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hotdog321 wrote:

But generally, you are less likely to suffer from unintended consequences closer to home.

Oh boy.

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Yes when the economy slows and only government policy is to blame the leadership wheels out something shiny for the masses to focus on. In this case its Japan bashing over a few islands the size of a baseball diamond. In America we have the Kardashians.

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dnral wrote:

Good for them. I knew a couple of Jews that drove BMW's-I thougt it to be strange given the history. Why do they vote for deomcrats? Have you noticed how the Dems and the Administration are treating Israel?

Have you noticed how Israel is treating Palestinians? Look up the history of the word "ghetto".

The world is starting to go up in flames. It is becoming dangerous. Save you money and buy silver and food that you can store.

don't forget your tinfoil hat.

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Why do they vote for deomcrats? Have you noticed how the Dems and the Administration are treating Israel?

Because they are smart? Even for Jews they may not want a trigger happy President who starts, or causes, a war and ended up hurting everyone?

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1937? That was what, 75 years ago isn't it? Japan lost the war and paid the price. They have acted in a very civilized manner since. That's something you can't say about China during the time. They really need to put the history behind and worry about their own lives and their own issues.

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LONG HISTORY of conflict here, some within living memory. Note that Japan has never officially apologized for the 1937 Nanjing Massacre. The Chinese populace is more easily roused by anti-Japan sentiments than other (presumably Party-initiated) anti- sentiments, due to this bitter history. Yes the Japanese have changed. But I know American Jews, who had no close relatives die in the Holocaust, still refuse to consider buying German goods like VW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

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carlk wrote:

1937? That was what, 75 years ago isn't it? Japan lost the war and paid the price. They have acted in a very civilized manner since. That's something you can't say about China during the time. They really need to put the history behind and worry about their own lives and their own issues.

Yes it's 1937-1945, 8 years painful history to China and other counties, even much longer to Korea. As someone said, Japan never apologized no mention compensated to the neighbor countries it invaded and destroyed. In comparison, Germany officially apologized, paid huge compensations to the victim countries, setup memorial monuments in its soil for the victims (including its own people) and passed the law to forbid Nazi principles and even words (yes that is the only "free speech" illegalized in Germany). What Japan has done? Nothing except empty "regret" words. Seriously the history of Japanese invasion to its neighbor countries has not officially resolved. It seems Japan never learn the lesson and may pay a big price later.

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LONG HISTORY of conflict here, some within living memory. Note that Japan has never officially apologized for the 1937 Nanjing Massacre. The Chinese populace is more easily roused by anti-Japan sentiments than other (presumably Party-initiated) anti- sentiments, due to this bitter history. Yes the Japanese have changed. But I know American Jews, who had no close relatives die in the Holocaust, still refuse to consider buying German goods like VW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

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What a load of drivel, please read the provided link below and educate yourself,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

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carlk wrote:

1937? That was what, 75 years ago isn't it? Japan lost the war and paid the price. They have acted in a very civilized manner since. That's something you can't say about China during the time. They really need to put the history behind and worry about their own lives and their own issues.

Yes it's 1937-1945, 8 years painful history to China and other counties, even much longer to Korea. As someone said, Japan never apologized no mention compensated to the neighbor countries it invaded and destroyed. In comparison, Germany officially apologized, paid huge compensations to the victim countries, setup memorial monuments in its soil for the victims (including its own people) and passed the law to forbid Nazi principles and even words (yes that is the only "free speech" illegalized in Germany). What Japan has done? Nothing except empty "regret" words. Seriously the history of Japanese invasion to its neighbor countries has not officially resolved. It seems Japan never learn the lesson and may pay a big price later.

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LONG HISTORY of conflict here, some within living memory. Note that Japan has never officially apologized for the 1937 Nanjing Massacre. The Chinese populace is more easily roused by anti-Japan sentiments than other (presumably Party-initiated) anti- sentiments, due to this bitter history. Yes the Japanese have changed. But I know American Jews, who had no close relatives die in the Holocaust, still refuse to consider buying German goods like VW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

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The war's over. Japan lost and suffered gravely at the end of war. The treaty to end the war was signed by,among others, China. War crimials were tried and punished. What else you want 70 years later? Punish people who were not even born at that time again? Not to mention China did not act that noble during these 70 years herself.

And I say this as a Chinese-American myself.

Just the way I see it I'm not going to change how you think.

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What a load of drivel, please read the provided link below and educate yourself,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

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carlk wrote:

1937? That was what, 75 years ago isn't it? Japan lost the war and paid the price. They have acted in a very civilized manner since. That's something you can't say about China during the time. They really need to put the history behind and worry about their own lives and their own issues.

Yes it's 1937-1945, 8 years painful history to China and other counties, even much longer to Korea. As someone said, Japan never apologized no mention compensated to the neighbor countries it invaded and destroyed. In comparison, Germany officially apologized, paid huge compensations to the victim countries, setup memorial monuments in its soil for the victims (including its own people) and passed the law to forbid Nazi principles and even words (yes that is the only "free speech" illegalized in Germany). What Japan has done? Nothing except empty "regret" words. Seriously the history of Japanese invasion to its neighbor countries has not officially resolved. It seems Japan never learn the lesson and may pay a big price later.

NancyP wrote:

LONG HISTORY of conflict here, some within living memory. Note that Japan has never officially apologized for the 1937 Nanjing Massacre. The Chinese populace is more easily roused by anti-Japan sentiments than other (presumably Party-initiated) anti- sentiments, due to this bitter history. Yes the Japanese have changed. But I know American Jews, who had no close relatives die in the Holocaust, still refuse to consider buying German goods like VW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanking_Massacre

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