Sony NEX-6 review from Pocket-lint

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In reply to captura, Sep 19, 2012

Thanks for passing that on, I also checked out the OM-D, the other camera I'm interested in, still can't decide but it helped.

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pdaf does not help much
In reply to captura, Sep 19, 2012

Other cameras still focus faster and c-af is not great.

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Everdog wrote:

Other cameras still focus faster and c-af is not great.

Happy to rain on the Nex parade, I see... The conclusion of the article seemed to be that it was "one of the best compact system cameras". Pretty positive overall, even if they thought the AF was not as good as it should have been.
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In reply to Everdog, Sep 19, 2012

Which MILCs have you tested against the 6 that are faster?

Everdog wrote:

Other cameras still focus faster and c-af is not great.

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Everdog wrote:

Other cameras still focus faster and c-af is not great.

I am sure all the recent new Nex cameras and lenses must be pretty depressing for Everdog, the guy who has been predicting the death of Nex for 2 years.

Nex's PDAF doesn't have to focus "faster" than M4/3. They just have to track better than M4/3 in AF-C mode. Who cares if EM5 can focus faster by 50 ms or whatever than Nikon D4? It still sucks for tracking objects moving towards the camera.

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ET2 wrote:

Everdog wrote:

Other cameras still focus faster and c-af is not great.

I am sure all the recent new Nex cameras and lenses must be pretty depressing for Everdog, the guy who has been predicting the death of Nex for 2 years.

Nex's PDAF doesn't have to focus "faster" than M4/3. They just have to track better than M4/3 in AF-C mode. Who cares if EM5 can focus faster by 50 ms or whatever than Nikon D4? It still sucks for tracking objects moving towards the camera.

Even funnier, with Sony now making the MFT sensors, as well as many other Milc and Dslr sensors, all systems will get the same hybrid focus solution.

So Sony Nex innovation keeps MFT alive...

There is a reason why Everdog, and the MFT guys, seem absent lately.

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In reply to captura, Sep 19, 2012

I wouldn't pay too much head to this review, most of the test camera's are on 0.1 Firmware so I doubt it is at release stage. Until a retail model with release firmware and a thorough test of the camera has been done I won't jump to any conclusions.

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JustinL01 wrote:

I wouldn't pay too much head to this review, most of the test camera's are on 0.1 Firmware so I doubt it is at release stage. Until a retail model with release firmware and a thorough test of the camera has been done I won't jump to any conclusions.

Quote from the review:

"The model we've been using is firmware v1.00 according to the image data in Adobe Bridge, so this is the real deal on these very pages."

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In reply to Kalabalik, Sep 19, 2012

How come no one picked up on the ongoing NEX low light focusing issue where it just throws up a giant box and nobody has any idea where the focus is? You would think they would have fixed that with the new sensor.

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That part is disappointing
In reply to Everdog, Sep 19, 2012

I had hoped that Sony's implementation of hybrid focus would at least be in the performance neighborhood of the hybrid focus in the Nikon 1. The rest of the camera seems really nice and a more flexible sensor than the NEX 7 which is cranky with a lot of lenses. Wish the 6 had come before the 7. I know which one I would have bought.

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In reply to ET2, Sep 20, 2012

ET2 wrote:

Everdog wrote:

Other cameras still focus faster and c-af is not great.

I am sure all the recent new Nex cameras and lenses must be pretty depressing for Everdog, the guy who has been predicting the death of Nex for 2 years.

Actually I have said about 1000 times that NEX is Sony's future.
(SLTs and APS DSLRs are going away)

Nex's PDAF doesn't have to focus "faster" than M4/3. They just have to track better than M4/3 in AF-C mode.

Too bad this is such a fail then. The one review said PDAF still took 1 sec. You can't track focus very well when focusing is that slow.
Thankfully the E-M5 has it solved...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41829772
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1053&message=41909146

The one big failing of NEX (besides only offering kit zooms and super zooms), is that focus indoors is so painifully slow. They still haven't fixed it. The Sony solution is to put a large box around the frame and hope something is in focus.

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In reply to mightymouse, Sep 20, 2012

On the m43 forum, Everdog has been posting that NEX has only 3 lenses and that even Zeiss have abandoned Sony. I wonder if some sales organization pays some guys to do misinformation.

Anyhow, evidence will soon get out that the NEX 7 can't handle some of Sony's own lenses very well, (the 30 and 50) and people will be flocking to the 5R and especially, the 6.

The new Olympus Pens are very fine but I suspect that m43's future will be for the advanced amatuer. (like me.)

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In reply to JustinL01, Sep 20, 2012

Yes, I wouldn't even call this a review more like someone's option of the camera that they used for a few hours. I was going to wait for a good review but decided to pre order one early today. PS any one know of a good Nikon to Nex lens adapter I got all the Nikon's both G's and D's to use till Sony catches up with their primes.
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captura wrote:

Anyhow, evidence will soon get out that the NEX 7 can't handle some of Sony's own lenses very well, (the 30 and 50) and people will be flocking to the 5R and especially, the 6.

To be honest, it would really be a big blow it the new lenses that just came out are not working on the Nex-7. We are talking since the Nex-7 came out how it is a great camera but not many good lenses. And then Sony come out with a few nice looking e-mount lenses that are not even working on the 7? Just a year after the camera was released?
Right now i say i can't believe that and wait until i know for sure.

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Everdog wrote:

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Too bad this is such a fail then. The one review said PDAF still took 1 sec. You can't track focus very well when focusing is that slow.

I doubt it's that slow most of the time, probably only in poor conditions. Which will cause entry-level DSLRs to have trouble as well.

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The one big failing of NEX (besides only offering kit zooms and super zooms),

Sony doesn't offer the 16mm, 24mm, 50mm, 35mm? Sigma doesn't offer the 30mm or 19mm? Okay....

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pede 59 wrote,

"To be honest, it would really be a big blow it the new lenses that just came out are not working on the Nex-7. We are talking since the Nex-7 came out how it is a great camera but not many good lenses. "

No, the NEW lenses were designed to work 100% with the NEX-7.
Most of Sony's other lenses are really fine too, but not optimized for the 7.

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Agreed! It's more like an executive summary than a review. Good info though.
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captura wrote:

pede 59 wrote,
No, the NEW lenses were designed to work 100% with the NEX-7.
Most of Sony's other lenses are really fine too, but not optimized for the 7

What lenses would you consider not optimized for the N7?? I would say any lens Sony makes is optimized for any NEX. Some of the UWA variety may not be, but that wasn't the statement.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Everdog wrote:

Thankfully the E-M5 has it solved...
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41829772
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1053&message=41909146

That's pretty impressive for CDAF, but this particular example would not be demanding for a mirror-less PDAF system--even one with a slow servo, because it can determine focus error and direction with a single measurement.

The one big failing of NEX (besides only offering kit zooms and super zooms), is that focus indoors is so painifully slow. They still haven't fixed it. The Sony solution is to put a large box around the frame and hope something is in focus.

I read somewhere (probably in this forum) if instead of using the default AF mode, you manually pick the focus point (say, the center) it works a lot better in low light.

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