How to salvage once-in-a-lifetime shot

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ott77n
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How to salvage once-in-a-lifetime shot
Sep 15, 2012

It was shot facing south (give or take), at around 2pm. Had a Nikon CPL on the lens. What I think is wrong here is the white balance. Could a CPL interfere with the wb?

I spent hours working on this photo, with little to show for it. Part of the problem is my lack of expertise, specifically I only think WB is the issue, but have no idea, really, how to tackle this problem.
Any ideas?

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ott77n wrote:

What I think is wrong here is the white balance. Could a CPL interfere with the wb?

Hard for me to imagine what you would like to see here. Was the sky blue on this day? Was the sky gray? Describe what you want to see, and maybe we can get you there.

Please define CPL.

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dj_paige wrote:

ott77n wrote:

What I think is wrong here is the white balance. Could a CPL interfere with the wb?

Hard for me to imagine what you would like to see here. Was the sky blue on this day? Was the sky gray? Describe what you want to see, and maybe we can get you there.

Please define CPL.

A CPL is a circular polariser filter. It does have an effect on the colors but I'm not sure to what extent in this case and agree with Paige that it's hard to judge. Aren't those aircraft grey? It looks that way on my screen anyway so I'm not sure if white balance is the problem. Of course contrast and such can be improved on it and I'm sure others will do so. The shot was certainly well timed!

Another question is did you shoot RAW? That give more options to achieve the results you're after.
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A cpl (circular polarizer doesn't have that much effect on colours. It makes then more contrasty and eliminates reflections.

As for the picture, you can replace the dull sky with one of clouds or a background of people and clouds.

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ott77n wrote:

What I think is wrong here is the white balance. Could a CPL interfere with the wb?

Hard for me to imagine what you would like to see here. Was the sky blue on this day? Was the sky gray? Describe what you want to see, and maybe we can get you there.

Please define CPL.

A CPL is a circular polariser filter. It does have an effect on the colors but I'm not sure to what extent in this case and agree with Paige that it's hard to judge. Aren't those aircraft grey? It looks that way on my screen anyway so I'm not sure if white balance is the problem. Of course contrast and such can be improved on it and I'm sure others will do so. The shot was certainly well timed!

Another question is did you shoot RAW? That give more options to achieve the results you're after.
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Maxxuman wrote:

dj_paige wrote:

ott77n wrote:

What I think is wrong here is the white balance. Could a CPL interfere with the wb?

Hard for me to imagine what you would like to see here. Was the sky blue on this day? Was the sky gray? Describe what you want to see, and maybe we can get you there.

Please define CPL.

Thanks for taking the time to look at the shot

A CPL is a circular polariser filter. It does have an effect on the colors but I'm not sure to what extent in this case and agree with Paige that it's hard to judge. Aren't those aircraft grey?

Thanks for taking the time to look at the shot.
Yes, greyish-silvery.

It looks that way on my screen anyway so I'm not sure if white balance is the problem. Of course contrast and such can be improved on it and I'm sure others will do so.

Yes, it sharpens very nice and all. Just the colors

The shot was certainly well timed!

Thanks. Pure luck. I did know what they (the pilots) were after - it is called the vapor cone. I was shooting at 6fps, and the previous and next frame have hardly any condensation visible. This is why I need help salvaging this frame.

Another question is did you shoot RAW? That give more options to achieve the results you're after.

Yes, I did shoot raw. I used a Nikon D7000. The image is sooc jpg, in a sense, that it is the "raw", "saved as" jpg in ViewNX - without any manipulation.

For the reference, here is a shot taken one hour earlier, but same hardware (CPL and all):
sooc (saved as) jpg

and what I think I remember the weather was like:

The colors may not be 100% accurate, but it is not what I am after. The image is the original read into Nikon CaptureNX2, white balance set to day/full sun, and contrast bumped somewhat in 'quick fix'. Took all of 15 seconds.

So absolutely no problem with the second image. No problems with most. But serious problems with quite a few.

What is different? I think I was facing south-south-west, and it was some 2 hours before the Super Hornet.
Other than that? Same camera, lens, CPL.

Clues/suggestions greatly appreciated.

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Looks good, but I want it to be a sunny day, as it was

Here is my best try so far:

Perhaps too much contrast (no biggie), but sharpened quite ok. It is just that awful blueish cast on the aircraft. The sky - also awful, but at least it is somewhat blue

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Toermalijn wrote:

Perfection!

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Can you share the raw file somewhere for us, like on dropbox?

The CPL will have an effect on the sky as a function of angle to the sun.
The blues should be able to be pulled out, however.

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Toermalijn wrote:

Considering you had access to the jpg only, I must conclude, that you did not attempt to fix the colors in the original image, but cut out the Super Hornet and placed it against different background.
Looks stunning though!
Thanks for taking the time.

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Jim B (MSP) wrote:

Can you share the raw file somewhere for us, like on dropbox?

Most certainly, except might need some help here: what is a dropbox?

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you can get 5 G free for file sharing. I find it useful.
https://www.dropbox.com/downloading

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Toermalijn just salvaged it for you!!!

Brilliant edit...excellent.

I would be more than happy with that!

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here is my 1st effort on the jpeg using Capture One. I primarily brightened and saturated the blues.
It looks better on my screen than when displayed form pbase

I may try with LR
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Jim B (MSP) wrote:

you can get 5 G free for file sharing. I find it useful.
https://www.dropbox.com/downloading

Got it.
Here is the link:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/105651468/DSC_9749.NEF

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... could do better with the RAW.

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Toermalijn just salvaged it for you!!!

Brilliant edit...excellent.

I would be more than happy with that!

Got you point. The image looks stunning.
But at the same time trying to learn something as well.

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I took this into Capture One, reset the wb to "daylight", darked the exposure a bit, and bumped the blues a bit, decreased contrast a little for

I could play more, but I think this is heading where you want.

The body of the jet is in the shadows, so is probably a touch bluer than it should be. I'd selectively warm it up when I had time.

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Sky to taste. Only you know how it looked at the time.

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