Is the SLT dead after one generation?

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santiclaws
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Is the SLT dead after one generation?
Aug 29, 2012

The NEX 5R is coming out with phase detection AF on the sensor, as is the NEX 6. Assuming the AF is at least as good as on the current generation of SLT cameras, or if it will be by the time the A77/65/57 replacements come out, it would seem there is no reason for Sony to ever put a mirror in a camera again, translucent or otherwise.

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Re: Is the SLT dead after one generation?
In reply to santiclaws, Aug 29, 2012

SLT is technically preparing for the third generation with A99 or whatever the FF replacement for A850/900 will be.

It would take an interesting development to match Sony A-mount lenses to Sony E-mount system as well, with the E-mount lens offering being at its infancy stage, for NEX to challenge the Alpha line (although "Alpha" also extends to NEX cameras but I will assume SLT in this case0.

And PDAF/CDAF hybrid system is just getting started and it will have to at least match the SLT performance to be taken as seriously. Interesting and a very good development nonetheless.

It is making me wonder if in the future I could get a NEX with an EVF, with a hybrid A/E mount system (even adapter would do, as long as I don't lose key features), and just add something like a RX100 (future generation of course), for back up duties. That will make for one light and compact package!

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I am reasonably certain that the A99 will prove that assumption to be dead wrong.
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Re: Is the SLT dead after one generation? ... its an apps revolution
In reply to santiclaws, Aug 29, 2012

what is even more interesting though is the concept of apps for sony cameras. They make it possible to configure your camera just the way you want it, and you pay as you go. No more grief about microfocus per lens registration, this is a major gripe of semi-professional camera users, that you only get this on professional models. With apps you can just download the app for that feature and pay as you go. This will totally revolutionize how cameras are featured and configured for various kinds of clients, because its so easy and you can just pay as you go and download addtional new functions and features.

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Re: Is the SLT dead after one generation?
In reply to santiclaws, Aug 29, 2012

No, because we are in the third generation now. But check back in a year or two - we are all expected the 'death' of the SLT eventually.

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In reply to santiclaws, Aug 29, 2012

On Chip PDAF isn't matured enough yet. It's closing a gap, but it needs refinement. The 5R indeed focuses real quick, but so does the EP1/G3/G5 too. CDAF is also getting really fast. Going to be a horsey race.

Combining both technologies is an excellent idea implemented properly, they compliment one another.

Bit longer till the trans mirror disappears.

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Reminds me of Minolta's Expansion Cards!
In reply to Stephan Def, Aug 29, 2012

If they implement right I'm on board! I would to customize my A77 to have true
multiple exposure and not auto HDR!

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Re: Is the SLT dead after one generation?
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santiclaws wrote:

The NEX 5R is coming out with phase detection AF on the sensor, as is the NEX 6. Assuming the AF is at least as good as on the current generation of SLT cameras, or if it will be by the time the A77/65/57 replacements come out, it would seem there is no reason for Sony to ever put a mirror in a camera again, translucent or otherwise.

The fact it requires special lenses to work with it means no. Sony would have to write off all the A mount lenses.

Canon only have a couple of lenses that can take advantage of the 650's sensor based PDAF and so will continue to make bodies that work with their normal lens range. Sony will do the same.

No doubt someone will say they will either bring out compatible A mount lenses or in fact they will indeed kill them off or let them wither and die as they produce more E mount lenses but I can't see it myself.

If they bring out an E mount SLR type body that may signal a move similar to Oly going from 4/3 to m4/3 as they did with the OM-D but even Oly are supposed to be bringing out a new 4/3 camera which can use their "top pro" 4/3 lenses properly.

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Re: Is the SLT dead after one generation?
In reply to santiclaws, Aug 29, 2012

I'd like to see a mirrorless camera that can effectively use the Alpha lens line up, and has an electronic viewfinder, but I don't think that's close. I can't use a display on the back of the back of a camera (I'd have to be repeatedly changing glasses).
The current nex range doesn't give this, so is of no interest.
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Re: Is the SLT dead after one generation?
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Karl Scharf wrote:

I am reasonably certain that the A99 will prove that assumption to be dead wrong.
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I completely agree with you, Karl.
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Re: Is the SLT dead after one generation?
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mike532 wrote:

I'd like to see a mirrorless camera that can effectively use the Alpha lens line up, and has an electronic viewfinder, but I don't think that's close. I can't use a display on the back of the back of a camera (I'd have to be repeatedly changing glasses).
The current nex range doesn't give this, so is of no interest.
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Well, the NEX-7 shares the best electronic viewfinder with the A77, and perhaps so will the NEX-6, to be introduced on September 12. In any case, the NEX-6 will have an electronic viewfinder.

As to making proper use of the A-mount lenses, I believe that the LEA-2 adapter does a pretty good job of that with most if not all NEX cameras.
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winedarksea wrote:

mike532 wrote:

I'd like to see a mirrorless camera that can effectively use the Alpha lens line up, and has an electronic viewfinder, but I don't think that's close. I can't use a display on the back of the back of a camera (I'd have to be repeatedly changing glasses).
The current nex range doesn't give this, so is of no interest.
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Well, the NEX-7 shares the best electronic viewfinder with the A77, and perhaps so will the NEX-6, to be introduced on September 12. In any case, the NEX-6 will have an electronic viewfinder.

As to making proper use of the A-mount lenses, I believe that the LEA-2 adapter does a pretty good job of that with most if not all NEX cameras.
Dulaney

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It's not clear that the NEX-6 EVF will be OLED, though it will certainlly have high resolution.

As for the LEA-2 adapter, it's a bit bulky/awkward for the NEX body size, as are most A-mount lenses. IMHO Sony will continue developing E-mount capabilities and if it ever obsoletes the A-mount, Sony may have to keep two lines of camera bodies, the NEX size and the "SLR-like" for larger sensors, lenses and accessories.

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Karl Scharf wrote:

I am reasonably certain that the A99 will prove that assumption to be dead wrong.
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The A99 is rumored to have PDAF on sensor as well.

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-a99-has-phase-detection-pixel-on-sensor/

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mike532 wrote:

I'd like to see a mirrorless camera that can effectively use the Alpha lens line up, and has an electronic viewfinder, but I don't think that's close. I can't use a display on the back of the back of a camera (I'd have to be repeatedly changing glasses).
The current nex range doesn't give this, so is of no interest.
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FF NEX is rumored for 2013

http://www.sonyalpharumors.com/sr5-there-will-be-not-a-new-native-e-mount-full-frame-lens-system-the-cameras-are-e-a-mount-hybrid-and-more/

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In reply to cgarrard, Aug 29, 2012

Also, there are 2 things the mirrors bounce light for. One is the phase detection array (including true cross-type sensors, not just pixel points), the other is a light meter used for TTL flash photography.

In mirrorless cameras, light metering for TTL flash is done on the sensor, which slows down the flash photography process:

http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2011/02/ttl-flash-metering.html

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J Birn wrote:

Also, there are 2 things the mirrors bounce light for. One is the phase detection array (including true cross-type sensors, not just pixel points), the other is a light meter used for TTL flash photography.

That's incorrect. Flash metering in SLTs is done off the main sensor. The mirror is for AF only.

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santiclaws wrote:

The NEX 5R is coming out with phase detection AF on the sensor, as is the NEX 6. Assuming the AF is at least as good as on the current generation of SLT cameras, or if it will be by the time the A77/65/57 replacements come out, it would seem there is no reason for Sony to ever put a mirror in a camera again, translucent or otherwise.

So far putting PDAF on the sensor hasn't come close to the traditional method. Don't get your hopes up just yet.

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Once Nikon and Canon adopt the SLT technology, I'm sure it will live on for many generations.
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Karl Scharf wrote:

Once Nikon and Canon adopt the SLT technology...

... everyone will be able to photograph the flying pigs at 12fps.

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Karl Scharf wrote:

Once Nikon and Canon adopt the SLT technology, I'm sure it will live on for many generations.

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Hmmm..., may be that's when Sony will drop it and come up with a break-thru faster-than-anything-before combined PDAF+CDAF mirrorless technology!

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