★ Wed C&C (No Theme) Thread, Ed. 229 August/29/2012 ★

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★ Wed C&C (No Theme) Thread, Ed. 229 August/29/2012 ★
Aug 29, 2012

Welcome to the Wednesday Comments and Critique (No Theme) thread!

We’re continuing the great tradition of this C&C thread because we’re convinced that looking at and talking about images is vital for better photography, and also useful for understanding and appreciating our gear.

The idea is simple: you post an image and get critique on it, and in return give other people your opinion of their images. Or vice versa: you give others your honest feedback, and in return deserve the right to post your own picture for C&C.

Generally, you should post only one single image for C&C. As an exception, you can post two pictures resulting from one shutter release but with different treatment (for example a color and a black & white version, or a different crop) for us to choose from and comment on.

TWO RULES:

1. If you post an image, you critique at least one other image.

2. Keep your comments honest but polite; if you don’t care for an image, try to explain why. This is neither a “Good shot!” nor an image-bashing thread.

Any style, any camera. It is a peer-to-peer photography workshop!

Feedback is guaranteed (for up to 48 hours after the thread has started)! Though keep in mind that the thread tends to be busiest during the first 24 hours or so, so later image posts may get little feedback.

HOW TO PLAY:

1. Turn on "Threaded view" and reply to this post with a web-sized image. Change the title so we can sort different images out easily!

2. Get back to this thread in a minute, an hour or a day or so, and…

3. …still in threaded view, look at one or more pictures of your choice, click reply and critique it.

4. Remember to add the EXIF if your image doesn't embed it as this may help

5. Image posters: please consider telling us what your own opinion on your image is. What prompted you to click that shutter button? What did you see? Why do you like the result? You don't have to explain, but it might be interesting.

6. You are very welcome to post a group reply to the feedback you have gotten. This could include a new version of your image, taking on board the comments received. Please try not to reply individually to every comment so as not to fill up the thread on your own.

IF THIS IS YOUR FIRST TIME, WELCOME! AND BE SURE TO READ THIS:

-► The critique you give (point 3 from the above list) is vital. What was your first impression? What catches your eye about an image? Why? What do you like, and what distracts you? What would you change?

-► Fiddle with the image in your head - composition, perspective, color balance, exposure. If the poster of the image does not object, you may even consider downloading his image and fiddling with it for real, to illustrate your point.

-► More general feedback is also welcome. Do you know something about taking the same sort of image that would make matters easier - share your own as an example in your reply. Encourage - it is a scary business putting your work up for other people to judge!

-► Finally what is the verdict? Waste-bin? Snapshot? Could be better? Family Album? Frame on wall? Poster-size frame on wall? Billboard? Reuters? World Press Photo? National Geographic? Museum? (pick your own superlative here)

Here is last week's thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=42314299

One of the first replies is “The Related Post”. This is the place to post your general, not image-specific musings about this great enterprise called the C&C Thread.

Another of the first replies includes a link to all previous threads. This is called "Our Archives Vault".

Best Regards,

Claus.

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★ The RELATED post ★
In reply to Claus A, Aug 29, 2012

This is a placeholder for anything related to the C&C threads. And we do mean anything: feel free to start a discussion about the threads, or how you felt when your image was trashed by some mean know-it-all (probably not in this thread, though), or how it feels trying to say something polite about a cr @ ppy image posted for review (tough one).

This is also the place to make arrangements and share ideas for keeping this thread alive and kicking. Or for starting a new "Photo Essay" or "Series" thread, as has been suggested in the past (plenty of “Weekly” this-and-that threads around, so why not?).

The C&C group will be more than happy to consider all input.

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★ Our ARCHIVES VAULT ★
In reply to Claus A, Aug 29, 2012

Here is the list of all recent editions of this wonderful experiment: our weekly exercise in ruthless peer-to-peer coaching for better photography; a refuge from gear discussions.

All threads of 2008: (Jonas started this thread on April 2, 2008)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=30596254

All threads of 2009:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=34168706

All threads of 2010:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=37375543

All threads of 2011:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40228457

Recent editions:

Week 227 (August 15, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=42314299

Week 227 (August 15, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=42263995

Week 226 (August 8, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=42213713

Week 225 (August 1, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=42163515

Week 224 (July 25, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=42110265

Week 223 (July 18, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=42053351

Week 222 (July 11, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41996813

Week 221 (July 4, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41941228

Week 220 (June 28, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41888329

Week 219 (June 21, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41833209

Week 218 (June 14, 2012 – by Claus) (wrong date "June 3" in subject line)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41774551

Week 217 (June 6, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41712277

Week 216 (May 30, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41649805

Week 215 (May 23, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41589742

Week 214 (May 16, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41527282

Week 213 (May 9, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41463139

Week 212 (May 2, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41396875

Week 211 (April 25, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41325435

Week 210 (April 18, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41252678

Week 209 (April 11, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41186048

Week 208 (April 4, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41120854

Week 207 (March 28, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=41048511

Week 206 (March 21, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40974792

Week 205 (March 14, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40903433

Week 204 (March 7, 2012 – by Claus)
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=40834051

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Little Angel

Thanks for looking & commenting,

Regards,

Claus.

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In reply to Claus A, Aug 29, 2012

Hi mate, an interesting image, very hi-key which in this case works well to isolate the bird from the background. My one wish would be to have the other wing up to balance the image a little. Hard to get I know, bit maybe some clever P/S could achieve that?

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Regards.

Stephen.

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Shot at Fort Worden State Park, Port Townsend, Washington State.

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In reply to Claus A, Aug 29, 2012

It is an unusual shot; most every-day small bird photos would be at a feeder (maybe that is a feeder) or in a bush/tree with an interesting composition in catching the single wing with the face looking the other way. Reminds me of a young student in class, raising her hand to answer a teacher's question (or request to leave for the bathroom).

It's oddness (nearly missing tail, missing right wing, no background) gives it an arresting sense, I am inclined to look at its quirkiness. Was the bird just landing? I note it blurred right foot. The entire shot is not particularly sharp. But in spite of any technical drawbacks, it remains a photograph that I find successful because of the intent look on the face, the focus on the eye, the upraised hand, the feet dancing on the platform indicating a certain impatience with existing circumstances.

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In reply to stephent, Aug 29, 2012

Stephen,

I know we are taught to show space in front of moving objects so they have somewhere to go, but in my opinion it would be interesting to see a closer crop of this, eliminating the foliage and walk sign to the lower left and the little curb area to the upper right. Both those areas distract me from the primary subject of the speedy cyclers passing through a moment in time. I like how the red/white crosswalk strips and lines in the road enhance the sense of direction and contrast permanence with fleetingness.

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Zin,

it is nicely composed with the foreground grasses framing the young boy who is looking off in the expanse of blue. Psychologically, is it the boy's joyful dream to be off into the freedom and possibility of the future, or a fearful dream of the vast and unknown qualities of life; or is it my recurrent dream to be a carefree boy again on a sunny beach; or . . . . ?

A lot of stories come to mind, so the boy as subject peering out to sea kicks the imagination into gear. I will say that from my point of view the photo seems a bit underexposed. I would probably try to brighten it up a bit, particularly so the ocean is a little less vivid.

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In reply to Claus A, Aug 29, 2012

I have been sorry to see this fine thread not getting the mountains of entries it used to recieve. I have no idea what has caused this reduction. We've had a bit slower response to our Challeges too. I do believe the challenges work in a similar way this thread does to improve our photography skills. Just looking seriously at a photo and figuring out what it is about the photo that you like (even if you aren't overly critical to the things you don't like) really improves your eye, you remember certian photos and try to impliment that look into your own photos.

So, because I do appreciate your thread, I'm entering a photo that I took at the Back to the 50s Car Show in late June. As always there are a lot of other cars at the show, in this case it is the largest in the world, with over 12,000 participants from everywhere! So, I had to remove other cars and people from my shot and fill them in with the surrounding building/tree etc... and then to give some vavoom to the shot I used a zoom effect to make the car pop from the photo. Looks best the expanded size.

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E3; zd 14-54mm ver 1 @ 22mm; f/8; 1/100; 100ISO

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In reply to MercurySoft1, Aug 29, 2012

That's a very clean, sharp image and the pp is really nice (eliminating, filling, blurring & zooming). the car stands out in all it's beauty, so you were able to isolate it from the surroundings. I'm not much into cars, but that is a pretty piece of engineering and manufacturing.

I see one small hot spot on the (car's) left tire that you might think about cloning.

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The theme explores concepts of Time. The picture might be considered a statement on our penchant for slicing and dicing Time using multiple measurement schemes.

The crosswalk is the graphical core of the photo, laid out in step-distance and likely equipped with a wait-walk signal programmed to tick away pededstrians' dwindling moments of maybe-safety until motor traffic reclaims the space (which of course, also is Time).

Traffic lanes sequence rhythmically across the boulevard; on the far side are parking stalls (time-use fees apply), and possibly a restricted zone -- a 15-minute loading zone, perhaps?

The racers are wonderfully blurred; they lose form-identity and become Elapsed Times made visual. At the finish line, they'll receive the vital information of how many time-units they occupied during the race. Minutes and seconds, with tenths on the side and perhaps a hundreths chaser.

The image is vibrant with diagonals. Also, I like the evocation of tension between the two time concepts of Distance (crosswalk) and Temporal (bikers) -- the clock-worshippers brazenly overrun a "red-lined" though passive time-as-space.

Foliage on the side is a wise witness to the nonsense; she has her own place, and rides her own cycles.

Good crop, sharp, attractive color.

Just one question, Stephen: Did you shoot this in Av (Time) or Tv (Space) priority?

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redsox wrote:

it is nicely composed with the foreground grasses framing the young boy who is looking off in the expanse of blue. Psychologically, is it the boy's joyful dream to be off into the freedom and possibility of the future, or a fearful dream of the vast and unknown qualities of life; or is it my recurrent dream to be a carefree boy again on a sunny beach; or . . . . ?

A lot of stories come to mind, so the boy as subject peering out to sea kicks the imagination into gear.

Exactly the kind of reception I hoped for with this photo -- lots of possibilities. All those you mention and more. For example, another might be the watchful anxiety of adults under their umbrellas at seeing their child nearing the edge of their zone of protection.

Something about the scene suggested to me that it could represent a fragmentary recurring dream of childhood, a snippet of the past that one could not even be sure whether it happened or not, and which dreams frustratingly often end before any conclusive scenario.

I will say that from my point of view the photo seems a bit underexposed. I would probably try to brighten it up a bit, particularly so the ocean is a little less vivid.

I was going for a more vivid cast to evoke the dream quality, and for a dark far water horizon, to suggest a vague potential threat or danger, which sometimes occur in dreams.

My PP work isn't very precise, both from lack of knowledge/interest/practice, and from using a laptop which returns iffy color and bright/dark, so probably I missed the mark on this one. I have calibrated the laptop monitor, but with little if any improvement that I can see. I hope to get back to using my desktop computer in the near future.

Thanks for your comment and analysis, Kevin; I appreciate it.

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First thank you for the kind comments.

I had a very good chuckle when you had notice that speck on the tire. I suppose I better get rid of that thing. You know what it was? It's a little pebble stuck in the tread of the tire. LOL Pretty funny eh?

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Re: Back to the 50's Car Show
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Shirl,

This is a masterfully executed concept with stunning PP work. I cannot begin to understand how it was accomplished.

Good choices for the background hues, and lively forms are well-distributed in quadrants around the car, yet do not compete with its classic lines.

I hope you continue to participate here; it's a friendly place with stimulating photography and comment.

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First off, I love the high-key lighting with your image, it makes it surreal, and catching the little sparrow with only a single wing outstretched is what really catches the imagination. "Hello, over here! I'm over here." Or many other cute little sayings to think of. I have a bird that is albino (I guess he would be a perfect candidate for high key), he is always lifting both wings to stretch and immediately after, he stretches one leg and then the other. So now when I see him stretching I say to him "stretch your little wings, now stretch your little leg, now the other one" and people think I taught him that. HA!

It's a great shot you've captured, I like it very much!
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In reply to Zindanfel, Aug 30, 2012

I've really neglected the cat thread lately too. I love all the cats and nice folks on that thread too. Not to mention the B&W thread another super nice thread to look through.

I'll really try to be more 'with it'. I really enjoy photography and looking at it is always pleasing to me too.

Thank you so much for the kind comments too!
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There's a dream I wish I had. I always have totally bizzare dreams. You know the kind, like when you were a kid and you would dream you forgot to put your underwear on or something silly like that. I dreamed last night I was trying to enroll my 2 year old grandson into Harvard. When they asked what he wanted to get his degree in, I told them I didn't know. Only that he wants to be a pilot. LOL

I think your ocean with the wonderfully colorful umbrellas looks like such a nicer relaxing dream, my I borrow it tonight? lol

In all seriousness...your shot does have a dream like quality to it, which is perhaps unusual since it is such nice vibrant colors, not the fuzzy pastels that one might think of. It works for me. I really like it Zin.
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