DR's RX100 review is up!

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fotophool Veteran Member • Posts: 4,122
DR's RX100 review is up!
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Robert Garcia NYC Senior Member • Posts: 1,725
Re: DR's RX100 review is up!

Oh well, I like Silver : ) anyhow and (RX100) 78 is better than (GX1)76. I am surprised by the silver the RX does so much.

John McCormack Veteran Member • Posts: 5,077
Re: DR's RX100 review is up!

For a smaller sensor camera the Olympus XZ-1 holds it own in the lower ISO image IQ tests.

ohcello Senior Member • Posts: 1,599
Re: DR's RX100 review is up!

I downloaded a few of the RAW shows vs. the G1X, as I'm mulling over buying one of these..... here are my observations:

1) The Default sharpening on the G1x is CRANKED..... I think it's loaded to MAX when opened in DPP. And you can see the moire / artifacts. My point is that you cannot really sharpen the G1X images much at all as they are 'pre-sharpened' (maybe even too much)

2) At low ISO (80 vs. 100), if you sharpen the RX100 shot, it's very even with the RX100 in resolution... you get similar sharpness with less moire/artifacts

3) They stay pretty even until ISO 400 where you see a slight difference and then very pronounced by ISO1600

4) I think the RX100 is about 1 1/3 stops better at high ISO if you downsize the RX100 image to the Resolution of the G1x. In other words, at full wide (f/1.8 vs. f/2.8) they would be equal as the RX100 has a 1 1/3 stop advantage..., but at all other focal lengths where the RX100 only has a 2/3 stop brighter aperture, the RX100 would then have a 2/3 stop advantage at high ISO after accounting for the lens brightness difference.

In other words, not that big a deal!! : ) Of course, let's not talk about APS-C with primes or they super awesome low light performance of the Fuji X100 ; )

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My conclusion is that the RX100 holds it own quite well for a smaller sensor and get's 'close enough' to the G1X in overall IQ and high ISO performance.

I will keep looking at the samples and others, but this tell me that I can use the RX100 up to 1600 with little to worry about (assuming PP with NR) and even 3200 in spots.

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trale Senior Member • Posts: 1,108
Interesting points in this review -

1) It has higher lens resolution than the G1X! (2600 lph vs 2400 l/ph)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/9
vs
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x/11

2) It has about the same Dynamic Range as the G1X, but shifted. RX100 has more DR in the highlights, while G1X has more DR in the shadows
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/11

3) Where is the "speed and autofocus" section? This is probably the greatest performance separator between the RX100 and other cameras in its class (including the G1X)

4) Two of the major "cons" in the conclusion can be easily overcome with 3rd party accessories - lack of filter, and the charging issue. If Richard's grip was noted in the review, these other essential accessories should be acknowledged as well.

tbcass
tbcass Forum Pro • Posts: 23,286
Re: DR's RX100 review is up!

A fair review and corresponds with my experience after a week with my RX100. The handling complaints are a little over stated because it didn't take me long to get used to the camera after some initial frustration compared to the A55/65 I usually use. Their assessment of the iso usability is exactly what I thought.
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Tom

Look at the picture, not the pixels

http://www.flickr.com/photos/63683676@N07/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25301400@N00/

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jonrobertp Forum Pro • Posts: 12,530
Re: Interesting points in this review -

Speed & autofocus...yes, it should be mentioned too. Hi iso the G1X is noticably better, but with the resolution and all the rest, good review..glad I have it.

trale wrote:

1) It has higher lens resolution than the G1X! (2600 lph vs 2400 l/ph)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/9
vs
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x/11

2) It has about the same Dynamic Range as the G1X, but shifted. RX100 has more DR in the highlights, while G1X has more DR in the shadows
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/11

3) Where is the "speed and autofocus" section? This is probably the greatest performance separator between the RX100 and other cameras in its class (including the G1X)

4) Two of the major "cons" in the conclusion can be easily overcome with 3rd party accessories - lack of filter, and the charging issue. If Richard's grip was noted in the review, these other essential accessories should be acknowledged as well.

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moimoi
moimoi Veteran Member • Posts: 3,660
Beware!!!

Beware, those guys from dpreview do not like the review from Imaging Resources. They literally removed the link I posted below, which is ludicrous.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-rx100/sony-rx100A.HTM

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Amateur Sony Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 5,417
Re: Beware!!!

To be honest I was expecting nothing short of gold rating. DPR's silver reminds me some controversial calls/judges during the London 2012 Olympic games.

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notime Contributing Member • Posts: 923
Re: Interesting points in this review -

I always like looking at the thread in the shadow box in the comparison tool. I found it interesting in RAW at ISO 1600, while the GX1 has considerably less noise, the G1X also has no detail (a mush of color, you don't see individual threads on the spools). At least the RX100 noise follows the threads and it seems possible the detail can be resurrected in PP.

Amateur Sony Shooter Veteran Member • Posts: 5,417
RX100 gets silver, who deserve gold?

Can anyone name a premium compact (pocket or not) that has combination of IQ, Resolution, DR, ISO, AF speed/accuracy that deserve a gold medal?

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moimoi
moimoi Veteran Member • Posts: 3,660
Re: Beware!!!

Amateur Sony Shooter wrote:

To be honest I was expecting nothing short of gold rating. DPR's silver reminds me some controversial calls/judges during the London 2012 Olympic games.

Yeah, as far as I am concerned, I am done with dpreview when it comes to read their reviews. (Too biased and blind enough to admit the D800/5DIII are far to be flawless, and straight gold awards...)

Dpreview has lost its appeal, at least to me.

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moimoi
moimoi Veteran Member • Posts: 3,660
Re: RX100 gets silver, who deserve gold?

[mode sarcasm: ON] The Canikon RX100, designed by Sony but manufactured and sold under the Canikon brand. [mode sarcasm: OFF]

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TrojMacReady
TrojMacReady Veteran Member • Posts: 8,683
Re: Interesting points in this review -

trale wrote:

1) It has higher lens resolution than the G1X! (2600 lph vs 2400 l/ph)
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/9
vs
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong1x/11

2) It has about the same Dynamic Range as the G1X, but shifted. RX100 has more DR in the highlights, while G1X has more DR in the shadows

Keep in mind that they aren't really measuring dynamic range of the RAW data but rather that of tonal curves applied to the jpegs. The usable DR of the RX100 is larger, mainly due to the pattern noise (specifically vertical banding) in shadows from the G1X.

Cheng Bao Senior Member • Posts: 1,132
Re: RX100 gets silver, who deserve gold?

Amateur Sony Shooter wrote:

Can anyone name a premium compact (pocket or not) that has combination of IQ, Resolution, DR, ISO, AF speed/accuracy that deserve a gold medal?

Apparently, dpr think nokia 808, olympus xz-1, canon g12 deserved gold medals,
oh, and ixus400HS

Rockchan Contributing Member • Posts: 868
Re: DR's RX100 review is up!

xz-1 really deserves a gold medal 1.5 years ago (or 2 years ago?). Just look at the comparison in RX100 review. xz-1 perform really well at low ISO. Even at high ISO if we can take the advantage of its fast lens, xz-1 in ISO800 is not really worse than RX100 in ISO1600.

John McCormack wrote:

For a smaller sensor camera the Olympus XZ-1 holds it own in the lower ISO image IQ tests.

Andi Buchner Senior Member • Posts: 1,115
dpr’s HiISO tests make no sense

When do you use HiISO values generally? Right: under low light conditions. So these HiISO shots from dpreview taken at full studio lighting do not make any sense - except telling you the value of HiISO when you don’t need it

I know so many cameras and the difference appears in low light conditions when taking night shots, inside buildings, museums, concerts etc.

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travelshots_dpr Regular Member • Posts: 219
Re: DR's RX100 review is up!

I don't agree with Dpreview's complaints about the clickless front wheel. This is perfect for focus and zoom operation. If you assign other functions to the front wheel, you still have the display to control the values. If you want to have clicks, simply use the back wheel. I am very satisfied (in practice) with Sony's design decision and would hate if Sony would have built the camera the way Dpreview obviously likes.

According display in sunlight: Did you turn the display to sunny mode (not automatic)? In sunny mode the display is much brighter and I haven't encountered any situation when I could not use the display (in opposite to previous compacts I have had).

By the way: If there is any Sony camera (including DSLRs and SLTs) that deservs a gold medal, it is RX100.

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tbcass
tbcass Forum Pro • Posts: 23,286
Re: dpr’s HiISO tests make no sense

Andi Buchner wrote:

When do you use HiISO values generally? Right: under low light conditions. So these HiISO shots from dpreview taken at full studio lighting do not make any sense - except telling you the value of HiISO when you don’t need it

That's not necessarily true. High iso is very useful for keeping the shutter speed up for moving targets.

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Re: DR's RX100 review is up!

travelshots_dpr wrote:

I don't agree with Dpreview's complaints about the clickless front wheel. This is perfect for focus and zoom operation. If you assign other functions to the front wheel, you still have the display to control the values. If you want to have clicks, simply use the back wheel. I am very satisfied (in practice) with Sony's design decision and would hate if Sony would have built the camera the way Dpreview obviously likes.

I agree 100%. It's a no win situation. If the wheel had clicks would RB have complained that is made zooming and manual focus more difficult? For me the lack of click stops is no problem at all.

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