Interesting D7k x Oly OMD comparison

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Interesting D7k x Oly OMD comparison
Aug 21, 2012

For those interested in lighter systems, the Oly looks good.

http://www.photographyblog.com/articles/head_to_head_review_olympus_om-d_e-m5_v_nikon_d7000/

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In reply to rhlpetrus, Aug 21, 2012

1- Get the accessory grip but don't use the bottom battery part. Why? Much better grip and ergonomic feel.

2- The Olympus has a much better preamp and much wider frequency response for recording audio using an external mike. I would rate it a better video camera.

3- The D7000 sees better into the shadows - and less noise.

4- The electronic viewfinder on the Olympus may bother some.

5- The lens selection for the Nikon is better.

6- The smaller and lighter Olympus will appeal to many.

I passed, after careful consideration and actual handling of both.

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I'm considering going FF (D800 or D600), keeping the D7k as second dlsrs and getting a compact system for lighter shooting. My wife has a V1, so I can wait to see where the Nikon 1 goes, if Canon's new ML system develops fast enough (too little so far), and how the m43 develops.

I think nothing replaces an FF in terms of pure IQ. APS-C is a good compromise, but the D800 and the soon to be released D600 look too tempting to resist. Life is short ;).

Steve Bingham wrote:

1- Get the accessory grip but don't use the bottom battery part. Why? Much better grip and ergonomic feel.

2- The Olympus has a much better preamp and much wider frequency response for recording audio using an external mike. I would rate it a better video camera.

3- The D7000 sees better into the shadows - and less noise.

4- The electronic viewfinder on the Olympus may bother some.

5- The lens selection for the Nikon is better.

6- The smaller and lighter Olympus will appeal to many.

I passed, after careful consideration and actual handling of both.

Nice post.
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Re: I came close. Wonderful little camera!
In reply to Steve Bingham, Aug 21, 2012

One of my friends recently switched from the D7000 to the ODM. He is a long-time Nikon user (D50, D90, D7000). He switched primarily for the smaller size and in-body image stabilization. He's very happy with the ODM despite the somewhat lesser choice of lenses.

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1- Get the accessory grip but don't use the bottom battery part. Why? Much better grip and ergonomic feel.

2- The Olympus has a much better preamp and much wider frequency response for recording audio using an external mike. I would rate it a better video camera.

3- The D7000 sees better into the shadows - and less noise.

4- The electronic viewfinder on the Olympus may bother some.

5- The lens selection for the Nikon is better.

6- The smaller and lighter Olympus will appeal to many.

I passed, after careful consideration and actual handling of both.

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The OM-D looks very nice... and as an ex-Olympus shooter, I do quite like the ergonomics and handling of Olympus cameras. A few things prevent me from moving at this time:

  • EVF. While by all accounts this is a very good one, it is not quite there IMHO for fast subjects.

  • Lenses. I quite like semi-pro lenses on various systems, and there are really no semi-pro lenses currently. (By semi-pro I mean HG in Olympus standards, or Sigma EX on Nikon... very good image and build quality, but not break-the-bank expensive). If there were a 12-60 equivalent I would be very tempted, but the 12-50 is too slow to make the cut IMHO. The Oly high quality prime lenses are looking very promising, though...

  • I already got out of the 4/3 system due to Olympus failing to deliver a competitive system. While µ4/3 looks to be much stronger, I am still a bit nervous about Olympus. Fool me once...

Currently I have the D7000 and find that it is a very good all-around compromise for most things; the only reason I see to do something else is for hiking, for which I have already bought a superzoom (Fuji HS30). A µ4/3 wouldn't really fill this niche anyway, as once you get a couple lenses it starts to get heavy / bulky itself (granted not as much as the D7000, but still...)

If I were a pro I could see myself with a µ4/3 for lighter shooting, but given my limited hobby funds I think that putting everything into one system makes more sense for me.

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The Big One wrote:

Currently I have the D7000 and find that it is a very good all-around compromise for most things; the only reason I see to do something else is for hiking, for which I have already bought a superzoom (Fuji HS30). A µ4/3 wouldn't really fill this niche anyway, as once you get a couple lenses it starts to get heavy / bulky itself (granted not as much as the D7000, but still...)

If I were a pro I could see myself with a µ4/3 for lighter shooting, but given my limited hobby funds I think that putting everything into one system makes more sense for me.

I understand that, same reason why I didn't get the GF1 some years ago, but recently I got the V1, but it was to replace the family compact (a Canon G9). My wife uses it, she's quite happy with results and the little camera is quite good actually.

Re Oly, indeed, the failings and the complicated business dealings have done a lot of damage to their image IMO.

The D7k is an excellent camera, I really like it as well.
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Re: I came close. Wonderful little camera!
In reply to rhlpetrus, Aug 21, 2012

I see the D800 fear has died down a bit :^)

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Well, Thom replied to my query about present status of cameras coming out of Nikon plants:

"We don't know if cameras HAVE stopped being shipped with an issue, and the left sensor focus problem is not serial number specific (it is a random X percent of D800 serial numbers, where X > 10 and

Will wait longer ;).

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I see the D800 fear has died down a bit :^)

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In reply to rhlpetrus, Aug 22, 2012

Thanks, worth the read. I've been torn between the M4/3s and the D7000. Maybe I can live with the smaller camera.

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Try it first. You'll be shocked how small it it is. Maybe these 4/3ds cameras work for people with really small hands.

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rhlpetrus wrote:

For those interested in lighter systems, the Oly looks good.

http://www.photographyblog.com/articles/head_to_head_review_olympus_om-d_e-m5_v_nikon_d7000/

If the bit about the Olympus AF system in that review is true - that's impressive.

"The Olympus OM-D E-M5 has a contrast-detect auto focus system with 35 user selectable focus points. Although 35 is less than 39, the Olympus's AF points offer much better frame coverage and crucially, there's no difference in their sensitivity - the peripheral focus points behave in exactly the same way as the central ones. In actual use, we have found the E-M5's AF system to be more reliable than the D7000's, at least when focusing on a static subject using an off-centre focus point, particularly in low light. As far as focusing speeds are concerned, the OM-D E-M5 is at least as fast as the D7000, if not faster (note that this also depends on the lens being used)."

They do day the D7000 AF system is better at tracking moving objects.

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Re: I came close. Wonderful little camera!
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5- The lens selection for the Nikon is better.

This is true but the lenses that are available on the MFT system are rather spectacular, esp. the Panasonic 25mm f/1.4. It has much better wide-open sharpness than the 50mm Nikon/Canon equivalents.

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This is true but the lenses that are available on the MFT system are rather spectacular

The top primes from Olympus and Panasonic are, indeed, very good, even if they are all very slow.

esp. the Panasonic 25mm f/1.4. It has much better wide-open sharpness than the 50mm Nikon/Canon equivalents.

On the other hand, you can get a razor sharp 40/2.8 pancake for your Canon FF, that's smaller and cheaper than the Panasonic 25/1.4.

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In reply to CFynn, Aug 22, 2012

I read it, I'm waiting to see real users confirm it.

CFynn wrote:

rhlpetrus wrote:

For those interested in lighter systems, the Oly looks good.

http://www.photographyblog.com/articles/head_to_head_review_olympus_om-d_e-m5_v_nikon_d7000/

If the bit about the Olympus AF system in that review is true - that's impressive.

"The Olympus OM-D E-M5 has a contrast-detect auto focus system with 35 user selectable focus points. Although 35 is less than 39, the Olympus's AF points offer much better frame coverage and crucially, there's no difference in their sensitivity - the peripheral focus points behave in exactly the same way as the central ones. In actual use, we have found the E-M5's AF system to be more reliable than the D7000's, at least when focusing on a static subject using an off-centre focus point, particularly in low light. As far as focusing speeds are concerned, the OM-D E-M5 is at least as fast as the D7000, if not faster (note that this also depends on the lens being used)."

They do day the D7000 AF system is better at tracking moving objects.

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How about the new 10 mp Nikon S01 . . . the size of a credit card! "Never leave home without it.":) Opticians world over are rejoicing in new business possibilities.
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It is a pretty good comparison. Thanks for the link.

I've been watching ILCs since the first Pen prototype for the potential of a high quality carry-everywhere system. After m43 came NEX and I decided that I would make up my mind before a trip two years ago. At that time, I chose NEX. I was already shooting Sony DSLR gear and the road map listed a portrait prime (in hindsight, it turned out to be a lame 50/1.8) while no such lens was even on the horizon for m43 (now they have the nice 45/1.8). The NEX-5 has been a big compromise. It's small & handy compared to my DSLR gear (I now have a D7000). It's also big & klunky compared to a point & shoot. I won't go into the pros & cons and they're specific to the NEX-5 and the OM-D addresses some of them.

At the moment, I still have a pile of Minolta/Sony gear to sell, but I've been going back & forth on whether to expand the Nikon DSLR kit or grow an ILC system. Both continue to have their advantages and their drawbacks. The ILC would be great for quite a bit of the shooting I do. But I'd continue to rely on the D7000 & 70-200/2.8 for quite a number of things. And I'm getting tired of using mulitple systems (that's not helped at the moment by the fact that I still have to use the Sony DSLR for certain lenses) ... I really want to minimize the number of different cameras I'll use in order to get to know them better. NEX promises a cheaper-than-7 model with a built in VF (and hopefully a vastly improved menu system) as well as a long-awaited 35/1.8. Versus the D7000 & 35/1.8, a kit like that is handy to tote around on a wrist strap or in a large jacket pocket. But it's never going to be as handy as a digicam. So at the moment, I'm about 75% set on buying 2-3 more lenses for my D7000 and then picking up an RX100. (The new P7700 looks nice, too, and I'd have given it serious consideration if it weren't for the RX100). I'd get rid of the NEX altogether. The OM-D is appealing and I thought about buying it and relegating the D7000 to specific uses with the 70-200/2.8. But I just don't see enough advantage. The 12-50, as an alternative to the 16-85, is a largish lens and makes the kit less handy. These ILCs are handiest with smaller lenses only; a couple of nice primes, but mostly lenses that I don't use on a DSLR anyway.

When Pansonic's 35-100/2.8 arrives, I can see m43 becoming even more appealing. It will be equivalent to a 70-200 on FF or a 50-150 (more or less) on APS-C. Equivalence comes into play, so it won't offer the same shallow DOF. On the light gathering front, it'll capture less than the larger sensors, but seems to compare well with APS-C in terms of high ISO noise, so I wouldn't worry too much. But I really like 70-200 on APS-C and would end up cropping frequently from 35-100 on m43. Plus while AF may be good on m43, the 70-200 on the D7000 can tracks moving subjects very well and I rely on that.

So I started by looking at ILCs as a compact second system. Now I see them as bulky compared to the RX100 and would find them more interesting as a compact primary system, but for the time being, they lack the lenses I want to use.

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coudet wrote:

Horshack wrote:

This is true but the lenses that are available on the MFT system are rather spectacular

The top primes from Olympus and Panasonic are, indeed, very good, even if they are all very slow.

esp. the Panasonic 25mm f/1.4. It has much better wide-open sharpness than the 50mm Nikon/Canon equivalents.

On the other hand, you can get a razor sharp 40/2.8 pancake for your Canon FF, that's smaller and cheaper than the Panasonic 25/1.4.

What's slow about the primes? Olympus 12mm f2, 45mm f1.8, 75mm f1.8, Panasonic 25mm f1.4. Don't look slow to me and they focus very fast so not slow there either.

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rhlpetrus wrote:

I read it, I'm waiting to see real users confirm it.

What are you waiting for confirmation of? Everyone agrees that single AF is very fast. I would say it's as fast as the D7000, maybe faster, but it's so close it doesn't really matter. The single point focus is extremely accurate as long as you take into account the size of the focus box and make sure the subject you want fills the box.

The only misfocuses I have seen are when you are closer than the minimum focus distance (mostly with the 45mm). Of course it's terrible for continuous focus compared to the D7000, but that's a problem for all mirrorless cameras.

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coudet wrote:

On the other hand, you can get a razor sharp 40/2.8 pancake for your Canon FF, that's smaller and cheaper than the Panasonic 25/1.4.

My High ISO shooting usually involves close static subjects. Based on equivalence, FF's light-gathering/noise advantage over an MFT of equal technology is 2 stops, which drops to zero stops for me since I have to stop FF down to match MFT's DOF. With the E-M5's IBIS, I get an additional two stops from my Pany 25 f/1.4, which is not available in any Canikon body/lens combo for f/1.4. The net benefit to me is a 2 stop advantage of the E-M5 over the D3s/D800/5DM3/1DX/D4.

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Horshack wrote:

My High ISO shooting usually involves close static subjects. Based on equivalence, FF's light-gathering/noise advantage over an MFT of equal technology is 2 stops, which drops to zero stops for me since I have to stop FF down to match MFT's DOF.

Sorry, but this sounds a bit contrived to me. You're basically saying that you're willing to shoot at f/1.4, and live with the shallow DOF you get at f/1.4, but that's it ... if you go FF, you have to stop down to match that DOF ? How convenient that your tolerance for DOF just matches the fastest lens for micro 4/3 !

With the E-M5's IBIS, I get an additional two stops from my Pany 25 f/1.4, which is not available in any Canikon body/lens combo for f/1.4.

But if you're stopping down on FF to match DOF, then you're at f/2.8, not f/1.4, and there are stabilized lenses available.

Furthermore, on FF, you have those f/2.8 stabilized lenses available in a variety of focal lengths, not just one.

The net benefit to me is a 2 stop advantage of the E-M5 over the D3s/D800/5DM3/1DX/D4.

I'm not a FF advocate; I'm pretty content with APS-C and will try my best to resist the siren song of affordable FF because unless I suddenly start printing much bigger than I am now, there's no practical advantage. OTOH, I think your scenarios is contrived and either unnecessarily restrictive and/or wrong and that you're not going to really come up with practical cases where you enjoy a 2-stop advantage over a FF user. (You might enjoy a cheaper, lighter, smaller system that in many situations is no worse in low light, but not a system that's better in low light).

Edit: p.s. Just checked your galleries and you clearly know your stuff, so I'm interested to hear how/when that theoretical advantage comes into play in real life.

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