Who would like a slightly larger SLR-style camera body?

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jbancroft1957
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Who would like a slightly larger SLR-style camera body?
Aug 21, 2012

I know it goes against the grain with respect to what micro four thirds is all about, but as much as I love and can appreciate the small lens sizes, for me personally, I'd love to see a mirrorless SLR-style camera body that was slightly larger than those currently available.

I'd want it to be light (i.e. plastic) and large enough to offer a grip approaching that of (say) a Sony SLT-A57, accompanied with larger buttons and more space between them!

Just my meandering lunchtime thoughts

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SLT A57
132 x 98 x 81 mm (5.2" x 3.86" x 3.19")

GH2
124 mm x 90mm x 76 mm (4.88" x 3.53" x 2.98")

For a DSLR style camera, the GH2 has very good ergonomics (IMO) and isn't much smaller than the A57.

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GH2 is my answer, too. Best ergos in m43. There's a third party vertical grip available that makes it larger and improves handling for portrait format shots.

If someone really wants something bigger, I think APS-C is the way to go. Although there is that pesky difference in the lens sizes.

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Buy an OM-D and add the HLD-6 two-part grip.
Job done.

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Mouser wrote:

Buy an OM-D and add the HLD-6 two-part grip.
Job done.

EM5 body itself is a visual injury and to add a multi-part ugly grip on top of that just adds insult to injury... there is a market segment of people who want normal body w/ normal grip and normal sized buttons/controls

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Mouser wrote:

Buy an OM-D and add the HLD-6 two-part grip.
Job done.

EM5 body itself is a visual injury

The visual injury seems to get rave reviews all over the internet for it

but hey, even child pornography is a controversial issue these days

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The GH2 is the biggest I want my M43s camera to be. I had a D90 and got rid of that for the portability of M43; if I wanted a larger camera I would have just stuck with the DSLRs......

Really, if you want a larger camera body, and the GH2 is too small, then you are in the wrong format. Half of what M43 is about is size, and if that's not appropriate for your uses, then why bother? With APS-C DSLRs one can get equivalent and better IQ for comparable cost if one is interested in going with larger camera bodies, so why would M43 ever go for that niche?

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The GH2 is the biggest I want my M43s camera to be. I had a D90 and got rid of that for the portability of M43; if I wanted a larger camera I would have just stuck with the DSLRs......

Really, if you want a larger camera body, and the GH2 is too small, then you are in the wrong format. Half of what M43 is about is size, and if that's not appropriate for your uses, then why bother? With APS-C DSLRs one can get equivalent and better IQ for comparable cost if one is interested in going with larger camera bodies, so why would M43 ever go for that niche?

Maybe not go after it now, but eventually why not? The difference in system size is the real selling point, not necessarily body vs. body. If we're talking body size NEX looks pretty good too, but we all know how the equation changes when you add a few lenses into the mix. Even with an APS-C DSLR size body, m4/3 would continue to have smaller lenses and the lesser aggregate size and weight would continue to be a selling point, so I don't see a larger m4/3 body as being out of the question.

But right now m4/3 has to play to its strengths in all possible areas to make a dent in the market, so putting out a large body doesn't make sense just yet . I can foresee a day when that no longer is the case.

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GH2.

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"Larger" compared to which body?
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jbancroft1957 wrote:

I know it goes against the grain with respect to what micro four thirds is all about, but as much as I love and can appreciate the small lens sizes, for me personally, I'd love to see a mirrorless SLR-style camera body that was slightly larger than those currently available.

I'd want it to be light (i.e. plastic) and large enough to offer a grip approaching that of (say) a Sony SLT-A57, accompanied with larger buttons and more space between them!

Just my meandering lunchtime thoughts

I have EP-x bodies, E-1 and E-3, and EM-5. So that's medium, large and medium-large. The E-x is definitely large and heavy by comparison. While my hands are longer than average, I've had no major trouble with Pen and EM-5 bodies.

The EM-5 is about as big and heavy as I'd pefer. I may add the grip to it, mainly for the extra battery capacity, but based on what I've heard, sometimes it might give better "balance" with larger lenses.

Anyway, I'd prefer not to see the size grow much beyond present, and definitely think the trade-off of less rigid, lighter weight construction for larger size, may not be optimum. OTOH, a solution might be to use lightweight plastic accessory grips to attach to the camera, effectively increasing volume and surface area, without compromising build quality.

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

Mouser wrote:

Buy an OM-D and add the HLD-6 two-part grip.
Job done.

EM5 body itself is a visual injury and to add a multi-part ugly grip on top of that just adds insult to injury... there is a market segment of people who want normal body w/ normal grip and normal sized buttons/controls

Obviously someone that has never handled an OM-1 through 4. Get yerself one of those plastic-y Panasonics.

You market segments of people (under 40?) just have a different concept of "normal". Probably don't "get" Karman Ghia's either...enjoy yer Boxter.

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If you want larger camera, and GH2 not large enough, look at Samsung cameras
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Agree, overall system size would be significantly smaller than APS-C
In reply to Yohan Pamudji, Aug 21, 2012

Smaller and lighter lenses of micro four thirds are the big attraction for me

John

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Obviously someone that has never handled an OM-1 through 4. Get yerself one of those plastic-y Panasonics.

You market segments of people (under 40?) just have a different concept of "normal". Probably don't "get" Karman Ghia's either...enjoy yer Boxter.

Kinda harsh, eh?

I still have my G1 (in addition to others) because it's size and shape work well, especially with long lenses. I'm looking at the G5 as my SLR-like upgrade. Itty bitty cams are good, they have a place, and I use 'em, but so too do larger ones. The beauty of m43 is not really body size/shape but lens size/weight.

And yes, I had an OM-1 and an OM4T back in the day. Never got Karmaan Ghias either, just fancy bodied, overweight beetles. But I surely miss my '58 Speedster, now that was a "real" Porsche.

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I agree that just adding a grip to the OM-D is not an answer.
In reply to exdeejjjaaaa, Aug 21, 2012

I also agree that the GH2 is the closest to what the OP is asking for.

As for the appearance of the OM-D, it is the usual Oly trendiness which, unfortunately, will look dated very soon, unlike the more professional-looking GH2. It will go the way of the cute white cameras Oly brought out a few years ago, the white MacBook, etc.

Note: I own two OM-Ds (yes, one of each flavor), a grip, and a GH2.

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I'd want it to be light (i.e. plastic) and large enough to offer a grip approaching that of (say) a Sony SLT-A57, accompanied with larger buttons and more space between them!

Just my meandering lunchtime thoughts

John

Yes I would like a full frame camera built just like the GH with the same functionality and no pentaprism (only live view both on the lcd and in the viewfinder). Will this ever happen?

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Once you start edging up the size of a MFT body up to the size of a lower end APS-C camera. I'd rather take the larger sensor and all its benefits, even if it does mean dealing with a mirror again. At least AF would be more predictable.

No I'd rather keep the ergonomics smaller. The OM-D is as large as I'd tolerate in a MFT. The larger Lumix cameras are already getting too large for me. If I want size, I'll shoot with the FF dSLR.

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That's a harsh an unusual opinion

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ADSinger wrote:

Obviously someone that has never handled an OM-1 through 4. Get yerself one of those plastic-y Panasonics.

You market segments of people (under 40?) just have a different concept of "normal". Probably don't "get" Karman Ghia's either...enjoy yer Boxter.

Kinda harsh, eh?

I still have my G1 (in addition to others) because it's size and shape work well, especially with long lenses. I'm looking at the G5 as my SLR-like upgrade. Itty bitty cams are good, they have a place, and I use 'em, but so too do larger ones. The beauty of m43 is not really body size/shape but lens size/weight.

And yes, I had an OM-1 and an OM4T back in the day. Never got Karmaan Ghias either, just fancy bodied, overweight beetles. But I surely miss my '58 Speedster, now that was a "real" Porsche.

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Not at all for this website and considering I wasn't talking to you. Was taliking to Mr. "visual injury" and "ugly multi part grip".

AND, I guess you don't get the Karman Ghia...all the world ain't about "speedsters".

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Gavril Margittai wrote:

I'd want it to be light (i.e. plastic) and large enough to offer a grip approaching that of (say) a Sony SLT-A57, accompanied with larger buttons and more space between them!

Just my meandering lunchtime thoughts

John

Yes I would like a full frame camera built just like the GH with the same functionality and no pentaprism (only live view both on the lcd and in the viewfinder). Will this ever happen?

Magic 8-ball says... "Ask again later".

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