FZ200 samples

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A Girard
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FZ200 samples
Aug 7, 2012

A quick search didn't bring up this link in the forum but I assume this was sniffed out already? I think they look good considering like most samples there's no adjustments with the NR settings etc...

http://dpnow.com/8776b.html

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In reply to A Girard, Aug 7, 2012

They look nice. I am waiting for the camera to appear in the US.

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In reply to A Girard, Aug 7, 2012

Thank you A Girard for the link.

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In reply to A Girard, Aug 7, 2012

Not bad, indeed. Fine anti-noise artifacts are obvious but not obtrusive and, as you implied, could be improved upon with proper set up.

Interesting that no full zoom, full aperture examples are provided, not that ƒ4 isn't quite fast for a lens of this type.

The line between µ4/3 and this super zoom keeps getting thinner and grayer.

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In reply to A Girard, Aug 7, 2012

Not a bad set.

They're downsized to 5mpx, so the originals would presumably be better.

Hard to find any samples at 100mm/2.8 posted anywhere. The only one I've seen to date seemed to be an evening shot of a building and the moon from perhaps 1/2 mile away.

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wkay
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is the bokeh appalling?
In reply to A Girard, Aug 7, 2012

or just me? almost feel ill to look at out of focus content.

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Re: is the bokeh appalling?
In reply to wkay, Aug 7, 2012

Some of those are ugly! But there are atmospheric conditions and background components that produce similar results in my FZ150 and other cameras also. I'm not convinced those results are going to be typical. In fact, I won't be completely satisfied until I try the camera myself. When I got my hands on the FZ150, my results were MUCH better than most of the samples I had seen online before.

I expect to find the same thing again this time.

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In reply to A Girard, Aug 7, 2012

My eyes are not what they used to be but I see little to complsin about here. They look excellent to me.

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Re: is the bokeh appalling?
In reply to Gary S, Aug 8, 2012

"The cameras that we were provided with to use in Budapest were not final quality examples so we were asked not to publish RAW files or full resolution JPEGs."

Same as last year. Until firmware 1.0 samples don't mean anything, good or bad.At least that is how I see it.

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In reply to A Girard, Aug 8, 2012

They are poor quality. I hope to god that is not the final version, because they are horrible.
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In reply to Kevin Coppalotti, Aug 8, 2012

Agreed

and...............

Yikes!

What on Earth is going on with getting circular out of focus anomalies:

Those leaves in the background are getting some kind of lens treatment there that, pre-production camera or not, is hideous. From pre production to production camera there's little that can be done with the lens I quess.

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As compared to.....
In reply to John Miles, Aug 8, 2012

a shot where bokeh does not look like it's been painted:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lefeber/1384648174/

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Antal J
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In reply to John Miles, Aug 8, 2012

This link has already been listed with several others here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1033&thread=42143936

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but is it FZ200?
In reply to A Girard, Aug 8, 2012

The camera pictured certainly isn't

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Re: but is it FZ200?
In reply to tomfz10, Aug 8, 2012

Interesting, they did not recognized (and correct) it since 18 July...

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In reply to John Miles, Aug 8, 2012

Strange. The camera does have a "Defocus control" function, which sets the blurriness of the background. Perhaps they have it activated.
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John Miles wrote:

Agreed

and...............

Yikes!

What on Earth is going on with getting circular out of focus anomalies:

Those leaves in the background are getting some kind of lens treatment there that, pre-production camera or not, is hideous. From pre production to production camera there's little that can be done with the lens I quess.

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In reply to sherman_levine, Aug 8, 2012

If I resize a 10mpx photo to 5mpx (and apply some sharpening)
the result will be better looking than the original image! Try it yourself..

sherman_levine wrote:

Not a bad set.

They're downsized to 5mpx, so the originals would presumably be better.

Hard to find any samples at 100mm/2.8 posted anywhere. The only one I've seen to date seemed to be an evening shot of a building and the moon from perhaps 1/2 mile away.

Sherm

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In reply to sherman_levine, Aug 8, 2012

OK, sounds clever. What does it do? Or what is it supposed to do?

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In reply to Antal J, Aug 8, 2012

I have found that resizing, even a small amount, is very very bad for fine detail. Very bad.

-Create a blank sheet in Photoshop (or editor of choice).
-Draw some 1-pixel wide lines to represent fine detail.
-Be sure to put in some vertical and horizontal lines.
-Draw some wider lines and some other shapes.
-Resize it 1% or 50%, it doesn't matter. Try .1% if you have doubts.
-Now look at your lines (yes, pixel peep).
Yuck

You can do some sharpening but sorry, the "real" detail is already gone. Sharpening in this case is a bandaid.

The IQ difference is noticable with real photos even on snapshot size prints.

When critically evaluating IQ using resized images is useless.
... which is why Panasonic is not allowing it.

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In reply to jakesan, Aug 8, 2012

Interesting thoughts.
I found the opposite. Any of my resized photos look better than the original
(after careful sharpening).

jakesan wrote:

I have found that resizing, even a small amount, is very very bad for fine detail. Very bad.

-Create a blank sheet in Photoshop (or editor of choice).
-Draw some 1-pixel wide lines to represent fine detail.
-Be sure to put in some vertical and horizontal lines.
-Draw some wider lines and some other shapes.
-Resize it 1% or 50%, it doesn't matter. Try .1% if you have doubts.
-Now look at your lines (yes, pixel peep).
Yuck

You can do some sharpening but sorry, the "real" detail is already gone. Sharpening in this case is a bandaid.

The IQ difference is noticable with real photos even on snapshot size prints.

When critically evaluating IQ using resized images is useless.
... which is why Panasonic is not allowing it.

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