Rivers challenge

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Tim A2
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Rivers challenge
Aug 3, 2012

Am I being naive to hope that there will be no low votes for a legitimate river that does not meet someone's personal concept of a river?
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In reply to Tim A2, Aug 3, 2012

Tim A2 wrote:

Am I being naive to hope that there will be no low votes for a legitimate river that does not meet someone's personal concept of a river?

Do all the entries comply with all the rules ? there can still be legitimate rivers but HDR, previously entered images, etc there is still scope for 0.5 scores and justly in some cases.

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You are right, of course, but I was asking specifically about low votes due to personal concepts about what constitutes a river. Hopefully the thinking is pretty much the same worldwide, so there is not that problem. At least river is not as ambiguous as alpenglow, corn, weed, etc. Actually alpenglow may not be a good example. The more I read about it the more defined it becomes, but that is a whole other issue. At least I learned something from that challenge.

I am just surprised to see so many good photos that seem to meet all the requirements get large numbers of low votes in the various challenges, apparently because the photos did not conform to the voters ideas as to the requirements, but then the requirements are not always exactly crystal clear.

You mentioned previously entered photos. Is that one of the reasons for low votes even if allowed? Regarding HDR I know I personally think HDR and other over processed photos have their place, but that is not in a general photography challenge. I just don't think photography and processing challenges should be mixed and am not sure how to vote when they are. Of course some would say HDR is photography and who am I to say it is not.

It is somewhat amazing to me to see how the better photos are like cream and usually rise to the top. I just hope the alpenglow and river challenges fare better than the Ansel Adams challenge.

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In reply to Tim A2, Aug 3, 2012

Tim A2 wrote:

You are right, of course, but I was asking specifically about low votes due to personal concepts about what constitutes a river. Hopefully the thinking is pretty much the same worldwide, so there is not that problem. At least river is not as ambiguous as alpenglow, corn, weed, etc. Actually alpenglow may not be a good example. The more I read about it the more defined it becomes, but that is a whole other issue. At least I learned something from that challenge.

Yep, me too, never knew what Alpenglow was before

I am just surprised to see so many good photos that seem to meet all the requirements get large numbers of low votes in the various challenges, apparently because the photos did not conform to the voters ideas as to the requirements, but then the requirements are not always exactly crystal clear.

Bearing in mind that all you need to be a Host is a heartbeat then it is to be expected that most Hosts will have no clue about writing requirements and rules. It's really not their faults, it's all to be laid at the door of DPR.

You mentioned previously entered photos. Is that one of the reasons for low votes even if allowed? Regarding HDR I know I personally think HDR and other over processed photos have their place, but that is not in a general photography challenge. I just don't think photography and processing challenges should be mixed and am not sure how to vote when they are. Of course some would say HDR is photography and who am I to say it is not.

In the Rivers Challenge one of the rules is . . .

"Only pictures not entered in previous dpr challenges please"

It is somewhat amazing to me to see how the better photos are like cream and usually rise to the top. I just hope the alpenglow and river challenges fare better than the Ansel Adams challenge.

I have been speaking out for Quality over Quantity here for a long time . . . DPR aren't interested.

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In some of the Challenges I have entered there has been little scope of misunderstanding of the Challenge and it's rules, so there has been little or no Sandbagging . . .

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In reply to RaptorUK, Aug 4, 2012

Well I gave up trying to use the DPR search feature and read through previous posts directly. My impression is that surely all that can be said has been said except for specific comments on individual challenges.

So far as improvements to the challenges it is apparent there is no consensus whatever. Even if DPR had the resources I can see that they would be reluctant to make any changes for fear of aggravating more people than they would please.

Speaking for myself, I figure if I am going to play I have to play the cards I'm dealt and that's fine. The challenges are fun and I get to see some terrific photos in specific catagories. If I see that a photo of mine is a victim of biased voters, or heaven forbid cheaters, I will simply remove it. For example, I think my entry in the Ansel Adams challenge probably received significant low votes because it was not a B&W photo even though color was allowed.

Thanks to all the work put in by all the voters who approach the voting with an open and objective mind, and RaptorUK thanks to you and the others who have assumed an activist role in trying to make things better.

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In reply to RaptorUK, Aug 8, 2012

Hi, entries which do not abide by the announced challenge rules are all disqualified (though it takes a very long time to search whether a picture has already entered or not a previous challenge for instance). Therefore, in case I had not missed something, there should be no 0.5 votes as challenge rules are controlled... fyi... challenge host

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