Sensor mystery continues

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DirkL
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Sensor mystery continues
Aug 2, 2012

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-says-g5-uses-a-different-sensor-than-the-e-m5/

So, Panasonic has started to outsource sensor development (LX7). What
will that mean for the future?

And why aren't they saying that the EM-5 sensor is not from them?

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In reply to DirkL, Aug 2, 2012

DirkL wrote:

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-says-g5-uses-a-different-sensor-than-the-e-m5/

So, Panasonic has started to outsource sensor development (LX7). What
will that mean for the future?

It means that Panasonic could well use a Sony or another manufacturer sensor in a m4/3 camera if it make sense for them.

And why aren't they saying that the EM-5 sensor is not from them?

Why would they? It would make free advertisement for Sony. On the opposite, they would have told it if the EM-5 sensor would actually be a Panasonic.

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In reply to Pixnat2, Aug 2, 2012

why does it matter? Is the sensor working for you? In some cases Sony manufacturers a sensor to the camera makers specs and the camera maker further enhances that sensor when it gets to their own factory.

Did you know that Canon can easily make what ever sensor they want to. So can Fuji, so can Panasonic, so can Samsung, etc.

If Sony or someone else has the capacity to make the primary sensor and the camera maker can add their own extra specials such as optics over each sensor, then what is the difference.

Their are sensor manufacturers in Europe as well.
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Why should do say it. It is not their product, EM-5. It has got nothing to do with them.

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In reply to Pixnat2, Aug 2, 2012

No, of course Panasonic would NOT tell if the OM-D EM5 sensor was from them.

Since Olympus does not tell, it must have been agreed upon with whoever made the sensor, not to disclose its origins. IF Pana made it, they followlingly have promised not to disclose any details on that. If they would break such an agreement, they would have a bad day w other prospective sensor buyers, who then would know they could not thrust Panasonic.

Olympus, on the other hand, are free to tell, at a time upon their own decision.

That is, if they did not for their part also promise the maker not to disclose anything (for whatever reason that would have been the agreement)
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revio wrote:

No, of course Panasonic would NOT tell if the OM-D EM5 sensor was from them.

Since Olympus does not tell, it must have been agreed upon with whoever made the sensor, not to disclose its origins. IF Pana made it, they followlingly have promised not to disclose any details on that. If they would break such an agreement, they would have a bad day w other prospective sensor buyers, who then would know they could not thrust Panasonic.

Olympus, on the other hand, are free to tell, at a time upon their own decision.

It's a Sony sensor, according to Olympus president.

That is, if they did not for their part also promise the maker not to disclose anything (for whatever reason that would have been the agreement)
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Pixnat2 wrote:

It's a Sony sensor, according to Olympus president.

So some people keep saying, but the only source I have seen seems to be a more general comment about Olympus using Sony sensors in future products. (Which Olympus already doe by the way with man of its compact cameras.) That and various contradictory translations of second-hand media reports.

Do you have a link to a reliable source for a statement by Olympus that the E-M5 uses a Sony sensor? (I have asked before, but did not get such a link in reply.)

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DirkL wrote:

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-says-g5-uses-a-different-sensor-than-the-e-m5/

So, Panasonic has started to outsource sensor development (LX7). What
will that mean for the future?

The LX Series cameras have always used Sony-made sensors. The LX7 uses a Sony-made sensor.

Nothing new here.

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foto2021 wrote:

DirkL wrote:

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-says-g5-uses-a-different-sensor-than-the-e-m5/

So, Panasonic has started to outsource sensor development (LX7). What
will that mean for the future?

The LX Series cameras have always used Sony-made sensors.

no, LX3 was Panasonic made CCD for example

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El P Stern wrote:

Did you know that Canon can easily make what ever sensor they want to. So can Fuji, so can Panasonic, so can Samsung, etc.

define "easily"... devil is in the details

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It is a really old news! E-M5 sensor is made by Sony announced by Olympus president in a news conference. Google is your friend!

BJL wrote:

Pixnat2 wrote:

It's a Sony sensor, according to Olympus president.

So some people keep saying, but the only source I have seen seems to be a more general comment about Olympus using Sony sensors in future products. (Which Olympus already doe by the way with man of its compact cameras.) That and various contradictory translations of second-hand media reports.

Do you have a link to a reliable source for a statement by Olympus that the E-M5 uses a Sony sensor? (I have asked before, but did not get such a link in reply.)

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exdeejjjaaaa wrote:

foto2021 wrote:

DirkL wrote:

http://www.43rumors.com/panasonic-says-g5-uses-a-different-sensor-than-the-e-m5/

So, Panasonic has started to outsource sensor development (LX7). What
will that mean for the future?

The LX Series cameras have always used Sony-made sensors.

no, LX3 was Panasonic made CCD for example

As was the LX 1 & 2.
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From a recent G5 introduction press conference held in Taiwan,despite Pana had said nothing specific about EM-5's sensor, Pana confirmed that G5's sensor, virtually regarded as a GH2.5, is Pana made. It also confirmed that EM-5 uses a different piece of senor. There is still room for guess as Pana did not confirmed source of EM-5's sensor. As EM-5 is not Pana's product, it is natually no meaning for Pana to talk about!

Unfortunately the entire report is in Chinese: http://www.eprice.com.hk/dc/talk/1445/3345/

Regarding Lx7, Pana confirmed that its sensor is not made by them, but the exact source is not revealed.

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P S wrote:

It is a really old news! E-M5 sensor is made by Sony announced by Olympus president in a news conference. Google is your friend!

except that the original article was removed (while other articles from even older events at the same website were not)...

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I'm not sure how reliable dc.watch is, but here is a link to the comment made by Olympus president.

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20120703_544400.html

オリンパス株式会社の笹宏行代表取締役社長執行役員は2日、顕微鏡新製品の発表会において、「OLYMPUS OM-D E-M5の撮像素子はソニー製」とコメントした。

Also, the wording on the link below doesn't seem to indicate he is talking about future products, since he seems to be discussing what is currently going on. Again, don't know how reliable this source is.

http://www.jiji.com/jc/ad?p=kabuopu_news&k=201207020992&g=adkikaku01

「...われわれはフリーな立場なので、その都度一番いいものを開発していただき、採用させていただいている」

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In reply to Pixnat2, Aug 3, 2012

Olympus president never said it.

What does it take for you to accept that he never said it, and that EM-5 sensor is Panasonic one.
Why would Panasonic make statement like this:
"G5 uses a different sensor than the E-M5″

if they didn't know that EM-5 sensor is one of theirs ?

This statement is same as saying: "We made EM-5 sensor, but it's not the same one that is in G5".

Now repeat after me: EM-5 sensor is made by Panasonic, EM-5 sensor is made by Panasonic

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It's a Sony sensor, according to Olympus president.

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Yes, this is a mystery.

Usually very reticent CEOs recently leaked all of a sudden. What is going on with Japan?


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Lately your posts have become more and more strange. It's like you are off in some fantasy world. Take off the tin-foil hat and face facts.

Triggr Happy wrote:

Why would Panasonic make statement like this:
"G5 uses a different sensor than the E-M5″

if they didn't know that EM-5 sensor is...

NOT MADE BY THEM

This statement is same as saying..

"WE MAKE THE G5 SENSOR and NOT THE E_M5 SENSOR"".

If they would have said the sensor was the same, similar, in the same family, that would ahve confirmed your crazy dream. But instead they added more proof to the what we already know.

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In reply to DirkL, Aug 3, 2012

So Panasonic admits the E-M5 does not use their 16MP G5 sensor. They did not say they were similar. They did not say they were in the same family. They said NOTHING to confirm they make the E-M5 sensor. Instead they add a little more proof that they do NOT make the E-M5 sensor. This makes the most sense. The only comment they can make is that whatever is in the E-M5 is not the same as what they make for the G5.

Only someone like Triggr Happy woulld read the following...

Toyota: The Camary does NOT have the same engine as a Honda Accord

and claim, "See Toyota must make the Accord engine!"

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