Canon 35mp rumor?

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dougeryb
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Canon 35mp rumor?
Aug 5, 2012

Canon rumors is reporting rumors (cr1) of a new super megapixel dslr (35ish) EOS 1 or 5d3 body. Sources say the announcement is coming sooner rather than later. My guess is it will come in a smaller body to go up against the d800 but price point would be tricky with the entry level ff already reported.

http://www.canonrumors.com/2012/08/big-megapixels-coming-soon-cr1/

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Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

They will have to price it higher. In that case, people will say it is too expensive compared to D800. To justify the higher price they will need 40+mp in a 5D+ body.

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40 MP Rebel type DSLR would cause a stir, especially when the price is comparable to 5D mk II. I don't expect one but it never hurts to use one's imagination.

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Sure, Canon could price the 8D at the same price as the 5DIII without hurting sales. It'll be a slower fps but with the higher sensor density, it will compare to the D800 except for dynamic range, unless they decide on using a Sony sensor, which is highly unlikely.

aftab wrote:

Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

They will have to price it higher. In that case, people will say it is too expensive compared to D800. To justify the higher price they will need 40+mp in a 5D+ body.

We will see.
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Sure, Canon could price the 8D

Why 8D? Given that the Canon numbering system at least in the single digits means smaller is better, 8D would be something below the 7D. There is some hint in the numbering that canon isn't splitting the 5D line, otherwise they would have gone for 5D X not 5D Mark III. Some people thing the 'X' will be the high MP camera, but that makes no sense either, since 'X' as in 1D X and G1 X has meant a 'crossover' camera sitting between the previous lines, a generalisation rather than a specialisation (which is what the MkIII is). On the old numbering system, if this was a 5D with higher res sensor it would need to be 5Ds (then if it's a Mark III, since there hasn't been a Mark I or II is more tricky). Else it could be a 3D (since the Mk III is pretty much what people wanted for the mythical '3D') but that would imply more expensive than the 5DIII.
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Here is MY GUESS

5Dx or something like that.

Here is why.
They did not name the 5DIII 5Dx.. They saved that name

A 1DsX would be 8500-9000. Who would but it over a D800? Within reason..
5DIII will drop to 3000, and new camera will be 3 FPS at $3500-4000. AF the same

OR it will be $3000 but have the AF of the 7D (hmm) D800 would still be better on paper..

aftab wrote:

Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

They will have to price it higher. In that case, people will say it is too expensive compared to D800. To justify the higher price they will need 40+mp in a 5D+ body.

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it's sensor will have banding at low ISO again, and weaker DR than the Nikons that have the cleanest shadows in the market.

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Think about current 5D3. And think about a 5D3 with 36 or more mp and 4fps. Both priced about the same. Which one you think people would buy? Higher mp camera would outsell 22mp 5D3 by huge margin. There is no way canon can price it like that. It probably will be priced 500-700 dollars more than 5D3. So, a likely scenario is that 5D3 price will drop and higher mp camera will be priced around 4000/- (it can't be more than 1000/- more than D800 even with higher mp than D800)

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Sure, Canon could price the 8D at the same price as the 5DIII without hurting sales. It'll be a slower fps but with the higher sensor density, it will compare to the D800 except for dynamic range, unless they decide on using a Sony sensor, which is highly unlikely.

aftab wrote:

Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

They will have to price it higher. In that case, people will say it is too expensive compared to D800. To justify the higher price they will need 40+mp in a 5D+ body.

We will see.
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Price is not Canon's only problem. Equally significant problem is that D800 is such a fine camera. At least spec wise it can't be worse than D800. That alone makes 3000/- an unlikely scenario.

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Here is MY GUESS

5Dx or something like that.

Here is why.
They did not name the 5DIII 5Dx.. They saved that name

A 1DsX would be 8500-9000. Who would but it over a D800? Within reason..
5DIII will drop to 3000, and new camera will be 3 FPS at $3500-4000. AF the same

OR it will be $3000 but have the AF of the 7D (hmm) D800 would still be better on paper..

aftab wrote:

Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

They will have to price it higher. In that case, people will say it is too expensive compared to D800. To justify the higher price they will need 40+mp in a 5D+ body.

We will see.
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You are most likely to be correct. But I don't think canon is really worried about that. Less than 1% of camera buyers base their decision on these factors.

In higher mp cameras the most important decisive factor would be the mp count and the price.

Bernie Ess wrote:

it's sensor will have banding at low ISO again, and weaker DR than the Nikons that have the cleanest shadows in the market.

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aftab wrote:

Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

They will have to price it higher. In that case, people will say it is too expensive compared to D800. To justify the higher price they will need 40+mp in a 5D+ body.

Nikon have similar problems.

With the release of a high res Canon body priced similarly to the 5D3, Nikon will have to respond with a true D700 replacement to go head to head with the 5D3.

That means probably releasing a D800 type bosy with the D4 sensor, but this will eat into D4 sales just like the D700 did with the D3. I think that Nikon mught be planning this anyway, but later rather than sooner.

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aftab wrote:

You are most likely to be correct. But I don't think canon is really worried about that. Less than 1% of camera buyers base their decision on these factors.

In higher mp cameras the most important decisive factor would be the mp count and the price.

Bernie Ess wrote:

it's sensor will have banding at low ISO again, and weaker DR than the Nikons that have the cleanest shadows in the market.

I disagree.

There are some who are buying the D800 for sheers pixels, but it received a lukewarm response from Nikon shooters who were skeptical that it could deliver DR and ISO performance. It's only becasue the D800 has proven itself to be strong in these areas that it has been adopted by serious shooters.

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I don't see Nikon need to do this at all. The 5DIII is a generalist camera whereas the D4 and D800 are honed to specific markets and goals. I still don't know why anyone compares the D800 to the 5DIII because they couldn't be more different - as everyone knows where image quality is concerned there's only one camera in it. The 5DIII was obviously made for people who want to go shoot their kids or something, even the eminently idiotic Rockwell got that much right. But the truth is that Nikon will be more concerned with sales than going head to head with a camera they don't need to worry about - the 5DIII doesn't provide compelling competition to anything in Nikon's line up. This will be even more obvious if Nikon release the D600 at the expected price point that's been discussed and in doing so will make it pretty much the automatic choice for anyone wanting to enter the full frame market for the first time, it will surely eat what small market share the 5DIII had any hope of holding onto where new users are concerned. In truth I'd still rather have the 12MP sensor and DR of the D700 than anything on offer even in the 5DIII - I selectively print some of my D700 images at A2 and they look spectacular, but that's all about the IQ on offer in the sensor; I wish the D700 was still in production just at a lower price, it has been and will remain pretty much the best value full frame camera available.

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With the release of a high res Canon body priced similarly to the 5D3, Nikon will have to respond with a true D700 replacement to go head to head with the 5D3.

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aftab wrote:

Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

Not true. Canon can make it 36 MP, the 60D autofocus, 3 fps which would be more of a true 5D2 replacement since the 5D3 is more like the mythical EOS-3D.

They will have to price it higher.

Nope, give it less features as stated above. Canon and Nikon rarely compete head to head, except in the pro models (1D, 1Ds and d4, d4x). Pros were happy using the 5D2 for work, they'll get better autofocus with the 60D focusing and have highest pixel count again.

Canon wants to sell camera, lenses, and make money. They don't protect other units with other units. They want to sell. If they can make more profit from selling $2000 9D's with 36 MP, 60D AF, and 3 fps in a non weather sealed body they will do it!

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aftab wrote:

Canon is in a very tricky situation because of D800.
Canon can't price it lower than 5D3 to compete with D800, it will hurt 5D3.

They will have to price it higher. In that case, people will say it is too expensive compared to D800. To justify the higher price they will need 40+mp in a 5D+ body.

No, I see a low end 35mm dSLR with lots of pixels selling for $2000. Those that want lots of pixels will get it even though it won't have pro autofocus - just like the 5D2 didn't have pro AF.

Nikon have similar problems.

With the release of a high res Canon body priced similarly to the 5D3, Nikon will have to respond with a true D700 replacement to go head to head with the 5D3.

nikon's offering would be the d600 which is rumored to be 24 MP and who knows about the rest of the internals. Probably no more than 4 fps and maybe even the d7000 focus system.

That means probably releasing a D800 type bosy with the D4 sensor, but this will eat into D4 sales just like the D700 did with the D3.

nikon very much separated the d800 vs. the d4 this time unlike the d3 to d700. The d700 was 95% of a d3 with its same sensor, and could do just 1 fps less than the d3 with the grip. Now the d800 can only do 4 fps (6fpx with grip but only in aps-c mode) but they threw in lots of pixels to compensate.

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russbarnes wrote:

I don't see Nikon need to do this at all. The 5DIII is a generalist camera whereas the D4 and D800 are honed to specific markets and goals.

Huh? How so? The d800 has more pixels, but real world difference in usable resolution compared to the 5D3 is rather minimal. The 5D3 is more of a sports camera than the d800 could be with 6 fps vs. 4 fps. I feel the d800 is more of a generalist, as you put it, camera not being designed for any one thing.

I still don't know why anyone compares the D800 to the 5DIII because they couldn't be more different

I could not find a more incorrect question. Both have pro AF, with the Canon have the better, quicker, more accurate focusing. I've seen real comparisons to resolution between these cameras and the result is minimal. Once you get to 22 or 24 MP, you need to double the pixel count to see a real difference since resolution is not linear but it is by area.

Now your statement was true about the 5D2 vs. d700 but that totally changed this time around.

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aftab wrote:

You are most likely to be correct. But I don't think canon is really worried about that. Less than 1% of camera buyers base their decision on these factors.

In higher mp cameras the most important decisive factor would be the mp count and the price.

Bernie Ess wrote:

it's sensor will have banding at low ISO again, and weaker DR than the Nikons that have the cleanest shadows in the market.

I disagree.

There are some who are buying the D800 for sheers pixels, but it received a lukewarm response from Nikon shooters who were skeptical that it could deliver DR and ISO performance. It's only becasue the D800 has proven itself to be strong in these areas that it has been adopted by serious shooters.

No, it's the armchair sensor designers on here whining about too many pixels. Pro's using cameras aren't bogged down with the technical details if you push an exposure by 5 stops then do 100% computer screen views. They know that Canon and nikon have not put out a bad product so they are never hesitant to see if a product is seen "good" by those that buy it. Any initial problems get worked out within 6 months.

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Huh? How so? The d800 has more pixels, but real world difference in usable resolution compared to the 5D3 is rather minimal.

There is plenty of usable resolution compared to the 5D3.

The 5D3 is more of a sports camera than the d800 could be with 6 fps vs. 4 fps.

It's mpore of a ports camera without being one, which means it is more of a generalist camera. The D800 is clearly seves the studio/landscape niches.

There is no DLSR that is bettersuited to studio/landscape work. Yet, the 5D3 is not the optimum if terms fo ISO performance, DR, or fps.

I could not find a more incorrect question. Both have pro AF, with the Canon have the better, quicker, more accurate focusing.

Not necessarily. The Nikon has better tracking.

I've seen real comparisons to resolution between these cameras and the result is minimal.

I've shot both and the the result is significant, both in terms of resolution and DR.

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RedFox88 wrote:

nikon's offering would be the d600 which is rumored to be 24 MP and who knows about the rest of the internals. Probably no more than 4 fps and maybe even the d7000 focus system.

Rumor has it that it will be pro AF.

Now the d800 can only do 4 fps (6fpx with grip but only in aps-c mode) but they threw in lots of pixels to compensate.

The D800 can do 5fps in 1.2 crop mode. That's 25mpx at 1 fps less than the 5D3.

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