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Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. 3,000 people dead.

no guns needed

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

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edwardaneal wrote:

Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. 3,000 people dead.

no guns needed

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

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well I guess that you could look at it that way, or you could realize that people planning a mass murder are going to do it even if they dont have a gun.

This nut case in Colorado put a great deal of time and planning into his attack on the theater - I think it is very likely that if he didnt have access to guns he most likely would have found another weapon to get the job done and if the weapon he chose was explosives the results could have been much worse

the majority of terrorist attacks in recent times, most of which involve car bombs (London), attaché bombs on trains (Madrid), the Sarin gas attack in Tokyo, etc. (and in fact almost all modern terrorist attacks are done without guns)

If you follow the link in my OP you will see that non-gun mass murders are not just limited to the United States.

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Brian D. Schneider wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. 3,000 people dead.

no guns needed

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

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If you follow the link in my OP you will see that non-gun mass murders are not just limited to the United States

Of course it's not limited to the US. No one said it was. Did you see this one? I know this was reported on American medea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton
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Brian D. Schneider wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. 3,000 people dead.

no guns needed

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

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Brian D. Schneider wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. 3,000 people dead.

no guns needed

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

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edwardaneal wrote:

If you follow the link in my OP you will see that non-gun mass murders are not just limited to the United States

Of course it's not limited to the US. No one said it was. Did you see this one? I know this was reported on American medea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

Our society produces a lot of lunatics, and if they didn't have access to guns, they could simply buy garden fertilizer, and kill as many people as they want to. Did people demand that garden fertilizer be banned after Oklahoma City? How about banning everything that can remotely be considered dangerous?

WTF - I'll go along with a ban on "dying." who let that happen anyway?

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edwardaneal wrote:

Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. 3,000 people dead.

no guns needed

Thirty dead immediately, hundreds wounded, and not a shot was fired...

http://terrorism.about.com/od/originshistory/p/WallStreetBomb.htm

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Brian D. Schneider wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

If you follow the link in my OP you will see that non-gun mass murders are not just limited to the United States

Of course it's not limited to the US. No one said it was. Did you see this one? I know this was reported on American medea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

Our society produces a lot of lunatics, and if they didn't have access to guns, they could simply buy garden fertilizer, and kill as many people as they want to. Did people demand that garden fertilizer be banned after Oklahoma City? How about banning everything that can remotely be considered dangerous?

WTF - I'll go along with a ban on "dying." who let that happen anyway?

Dave

Fertilizer sales are now tracked.

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Wilhelm, the WoodMaven

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Chato wrote:

Brian D. Schneider wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

If you follow the link in my OP you will see that non-gun mass murders are not just limited to the United States

Of course it's not limited to the US. No one said it was. Did you see this one? I know this was reported on American medea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

Our society produces a lot of lunatics, and if they didn't have access to guns, they could simply buy garden fertilizer, and kill as many people as they want to. Did people demand that garden fertilizer be banned after Oklahoma City? How about banning everything that can remotely be considered dangerous?

WTF - I'll go along with a ban on "dying." who let that happen anyway?

Dave

Fertilizer sales are now tracked.

Do you think being "tracked" is a Big Concern for someone like Mr. Holmes? Giving him nightmares that he might be caught?

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Supposed you are right, and I believe it.
There still remain these facts:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year

edwardaneal wrote:

Worst Mass Murders in US History (any weapon):
By no coincidence all of the worst mass murders in US history have been non-gun.

Worst School Massacre in US history: Bath, Michigan School Massacre. 1927. Murder accomplished with explosives. 44 victims (equal to the Columbine and Virginia Tech massacres combined).

Worst Domestic Terrorist Attack in US History: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing. 4/19/95. Murder accomplished with a rental truck full of fertilizer based explosives. 168 dead (including many children in an onsite day care).

Worst Foreign based Terrorist Attack in US History: September 11, 2001 attacks on NYC, PA, Pentagon. Murder accomplished with box cutters and commerical airliners. 3,000 people dead.

no guns needed

http://stephenewright.com/fromthebluff/2008/10/23/the-butcher%E2%80%99s-bill-%E2%80%93-non-gun-mass-murders/

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Chato wrote:

drh681 wrote:

Chato wrote:

Brian D. Schneider wrote:

edwardaneal wrote:

If you follow the link in my OP you will see that non-gun mass murders are not just limited to the United States

Of course it's not limited to the US. No one said it was. Did you see this one? I know this was reported on American medea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Pickton

If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

Our society produces a lot of lunatics, and if they didn't have access to guns, they could simply buy garden fertilizer, and kill as many people as they want to. Did people demand that garden fertilizer be banned after Oklahoma City? How about banning everything that can remotely be considered dangerous?

WTF - I'll go along with a ban on "dying." who let that happen anyway?

Dave

Fertilizer sales are now tracked.

Do you think being "tracked" is a Big Concern for someone like Mr. Holmes? Giving him nightmares that he might be caught?

I see that if you buy less than 25 pounds of the stuff, it doesn't count...

No tracking...

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/08/03/2011-19313/ammonium-nitrate-security-program#p-219

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If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

No, but having access to automatic weapons does make it THAT MUCH easier.

Plus of course...we should always keep all 'explosive' materials under strict security conditions too.

GUNS assist in mass killings - there's absolutely no point in saying they don't.

It's SO MUCH easier to walk into a cinema and shoot 70 with a rirearm....than it is to rig the place up properly with explosives....or to obtain grenades, etc to do the SAME job.

It's a far simpler process just to use a gun...especially for the younger type offender (say a teenage school kid)....who wouldn't be able to get access to potentially explosive materials, etc.

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Chato wrote:

If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

No, but having access to automatic weapons does make it THAT MUCH easier.

Plus of course...we should always keep all 'explosive' materials under strict security conditions too.

GUNS assist in mass killings - there's absolutely no point in saying they don't.

It's SO MUCH easier to walk into a cinema and shoot 70 with a rirearm....than it is to rig the place up properly with explosives....or to obtain grenades, etc to do the SAME job.

It's a far simpler process just to use a gun...especially for the younger type offender (say a teenage school kid)....who wouldn't be able to get access to potentially explosive materials, etc.

Did you know that this kid Holmes rigged his apartment to take out the entire complex of buildings? The only reason he didn't use a bomb, was that he wanted to kill people up front and personal (admitedly just guessing here). Probably set up his bomb just for kicks.

Look, if someone is THIS crazy, spends four months planning this event, what makes you think he needs a gun?

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Supposed you are right, and I believe it.
There still remain these facts:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year

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Per the Center for Disease Control, latest figures (2005) show 30,694 firearm deaths (all races, all ages, both sexes) in the United States.

(unquote)

Just to put the annual US gun related death stats into perspective.

Since 1948, approx 51,000 people have died in the Arab-Israeli conflict...and that includes all the wars, soldiers, civillians, etc.

In just TWO years, Americans kill more of their own folks....than have died in almost 65 years in Palestine.

Absolutely f'king insane

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KEVZPHOTOS wrote:

Chato wrote:

If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

No, but having access to automatic weapons does make it THAT MUCH easier.

Plus of course...we should always keep all 'explosive' materials under strict security conditions too.

GUNS assist in mass killings - there's absolutely no point in saying they don't.

It's SO MUCH easier to walk into a cinema and shoot 70 with a rirearm....than it is to rig the place up properly with explosives....or to obtain grenades, etc to do the SAME job.

It's a far simpler process just to use a gun...especially for the younger type offender (say a teenage school kid)....who wouldn't be able to get access to potentially explosive materials, etc.

Did you know that this kid Holmes rigged his apartment to take out the entire complex of buildings? The only reason he didn't use a bomb, was that he wanted to kill people up front and personal (admitedly just guessing here). Probably set up his bomb just for kicks.

Look, if someone is THIS crazy, spends four months planning this event, what makes you think he needs a gun?

I didn't say THIS GUY does need a gun.

My comments are related in general....that GUNS make mass killings more easy.

WHY on Earth are you always defending the need to have guns in society.
When are YOU Yanks going to wake up?

No other westernized country on the planet thinks the same way as you lot do.
So therefore, YOU folks must be the ones who are missing something.

And not the other way around.

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KEVZPHOTOS wrote:

RobertSigmund wrote:

Supposed you are right, and I believe it.
There still remain these facts:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year

(quote)

Per the Center for Disease Control, latest figures (2005) show 30,694 firearm deaths (all races, all ages, both sexes) in the United States.

(unquote)

Quote from that link - "Approximately 12,252 murders by firearms"

Just to put the annual US gun related death stats into perspective.

Since 1948, approx 51,000 people have died in the Arab-Israeli conflict...and that includes all the wars, soldiers, civillians, etc.

In just TWO years, Americans kill more of their own folks....than have died in almost 65 years in Palestine.

Absolutely f'king insane

No, Americans killed 12K of people. On the other hand 420K died of lung cancer. Don't you think we got around to banning lung cancer?

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KEVZPHOTOS wrote:

Chato wrote:

KEVZPHOTOS wrote:

Chato wrote:

If a lunatic wants to kill a lot of people they don't need guns to do it.

No, but having access to automatic weapons does make it THAT MUCH easier.

Plus of course...we should always keep all 'explosive' materials under strict security conditions too.

GUNS assist in mass killings - there's absolutely no point in saying they don't.

It's SO MUCH easier to walk into a cinema and shoot 70 with a rirearm....than it is to rig the place up properly with explosives....or to obtain grenades, etc to do the SAME job.

It's a far simpler process just to use a gun...especially for the younger type offender (say a teenage school kid)....who wouldn't be able to get access to potentially explosive materials, etc.

Did you know that this kid Holmes rigged his apartment to take out the entire complex of buildings? The only reason he didn't use a bomb, was that he wanted to kill people up front and personal (admitedly just guessing here). Probably set up his bomb just for kicks.

Look, if someone is THIS crazy, spends four months planning this event, what makes you think he needs a gun?

I didn't say THIS GUY does need a gun.

My comments are related in general....that GUNS make mass killings more easy.

WHY on Earth are you always defending the need to have guns in society.
When are YOU Yanks going to wake up?

No other westernized country on the planet thinks the same way as you lot do.
So therefore, YOU folks must be the ones who are missing something.

And not the other way around.

Maybe we take the long perspective. After all, what was life like in England under Cromwell?

"What if nine men out of ten hate me? I shall put a sword in the hand of that tenth man."

You think he was just "kidding around?"

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