Two shots with DP2M (and the same retaken with DP2)

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hanenashi
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Two shots with DP2M (and the same retaken with DP2)
Jul 14, 2012

...proving actually nothing. (What else expect from three minutes at Yodobashi...)

DP2M:

(everything left on auto there, nice color casts...)

DP2:

(developed on auto and tweaked a bit to taste)

X3F files here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/4taraz

DP2M actually feels quite (and having no grip it slips from hold really nicely when held only with right hand). I realised how my DP2 is small and pocketable compared to it. For now I'm staying with my DP2... (but mainly because getting DP2M means getting new computer first because those huge X3F files are too much for my MacBook, at least with current Sigma PhotoPro).

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In reply to hanenashi, Jul 14, 2012

Hmmm. I hope that was a pre-release copy as I would hate to pay for the DP2M and get that green vignetting.

At that size the older DP2 looks better,

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In reply to gbainbridge, Jul 14, 2012

gbainbridge wrote:

Hmmm. I hope that was a pre-release copy as I would hate to pay for the DP2M and get that green vignetting.

And the magenta strip lights are interesting!

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In reply to hanenashi, Jul 14, 2012

that you might talk about AF, buffer shot to shot times and etc...thanks a lot...

hanenashi wrote:

...proving actually nothing. (What else expect from three minutes at Yodobashi...)

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In reply to hanenashi, Jul 14, 2012

Hello hanenashi-san,

arigatou gazaimasou! bows

The resolution of the DP2m looks very good, I guess the color casts and pink highlights are related to a non-DP2m-ready version of SPP.

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Re: Two shots with DP2M (and the same retaken with DP2)
In reply to hanenashi, Jul 14, 2012

Ouch

RAW files? seems to be the same bug as we had with the SD15 firmware before it was fixed.

Sharpness is really much better than the DP2 though

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Re: SPP fails
In reply to hanenashi, Jul 14, 2012

DPFirst of all, latest SPP5.2.1 fails with DP2M x3f. Preview is fine, even without green cast and purple highlights, than loaded for processing - image is destroyed.
Lightroom support for x3f Merrill is crucial!

Secondly, DP2 sensor is "stronger", colors of Merril sensor are weak, color palette is not accurate. Under this conditions in this test at least.

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Johan Borg
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In reply to petr marek, Jul 14, 2012

petr marek wrote:

DPFirst of all, latest SPP5.2.1 fails with DP2M x3f.

DP2M requires SPP 5.3.1 which it ships with.

Great to have some X3F to play with when Sigma makes 5.3.1 available for download, though!

EDIT: Regarding colors: DP2M has a full stop less exposure here, it could have used ISO 100 and keep the shutter speed of the DP2 at ISO 200.

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In reply to Johan Borg, Jul 14, 2012

Something is very weird--the magenta neon lights with the DP2M. Others hues in this image look OK, good even but those neons lights are not correct. What's up with this highly-anticipated DP2M?!

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ulfie wrote:

Something is very weird--the magenta neon lights with the DP2M. Others hues in this image look OK, good even but those neons lights are not correct. What's up with this highly-anticipated DP2M?!

Nothing. Like every new Sigma camera it depends on a new version of SPP. Use an old version and this is what you get.

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In reply to Johan Borg, Jul 14, 2012

Nothing? Duh ... spend almost US $1,000 and get weird magenta colored (white) neon lights?

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Johan Borg
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ulfie wrote:

Nothing? Duh ... spend almost US $1,000 and get weird magenta colored (white) neon lights?

Spend $1,000 and insist on using a RAW converter not supporting the camera will give you weird colors, yes. That's not a problem with the camera, though, since it ships with a new converter.

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In reply to hanenashi, Jul 14, 2012

Before pointing an eventual "problem" on a camera, ppl should try to point the real problem of their manipulation of the camera and using the proper raw converter...

So, it should be mandatory to ignore forum "tests" because they are often (99.99%) biased, and often, ppl behind the camera not skilled enough to judge a complex tech (that sound crude but it is true, sorry).

Here is some links of actual user of this camera. This is the reality with good and less good photographers. But at least they do not speak BS, they shoot, and the photos speak for themselves about the ultimate and real quality of this little camera.

http://photo.yodobashi.com/sigma/imp/dp2m.html
http://news.mapcamera.com/KASYAPA.php?itemid=15857
http://www.flickr.com/groups/sigmadpmerrill/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ikytrkr/

... and so on ...

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In reply to HBowman, Jul 15, 2012

Thanks. Some stunning photography on that mapcamera page.

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Johan Borg
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Re: SPP fails
In reply to petr marek, Jul 15, 2012

petr marek wrote:

Secondly, DP2 sensor is "stronger", colors of Merril sensor are weak, color palette is not accurate. Under this conditions in this test at least.

DP2 was set to Vivid in the camera, DP2M to Neutral, so the preview JPEGs will be rather different.

More interesting is the noise in the two ISO 800 images (again out of camera preview JPEGs). The DP2 gives far cleaner results out of the camera where the DP2M is limited by horizontal magenta-green banding, presumably from AFE (since all AFE models suffer from this). Maybe the DP2M can catch up in RAW? We'll see...

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Johan Borg
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Re: SPP fails
In reply to Johan Borg, Jul 18, 2012

Johan Borg wrote:

Maybe the DP2M can catch up in RAW? We'll see...

Let's see now that SPP 5.3.1 is available for download from Sigma:

Standard Color mode, medium (0.5 and 0.5) noise reduction, Auto White Balance. Still a tiny bit of banding left in the lower left, but otherwise little to complain about If I tried to maximize quality I would probably bump the Chroma NR another step.

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