EF-S 15-85mm vs EF 24-105mm for T3i

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I am getting rid of my EF-S 18-200mm lens and replacing it with a EF-S 10-22mm and as of now either the EF-S 15-85mm or the EF 24-105mm. Could anyone comment about these 2 lens?? Or if you have another option, please let me know. I think IQ is most important, then glass speed, IS and then Size. I do a lot of traveling but I also have children and attend sporting events. My budget is $900 so both lens are clearly within that range.

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I just read as much as possible about these 2 lens and it seems to be a split decision for use with an APS-C camera. There does not seem to be a big difference in IQ even though it seems like the 24-105 might be a bit better. However, it seems that the advantage of 15-24 is GREATER than the advantage of 85-105. Correct me if I am wrong but going from 24 - 15 mm give 50% more viewing area whereas going from 85-105 is only slightly more magnified.

Now if I was not going to get a 10-22 then it seem like the 15-85 is the obvious choice.

but having recently traveled with the 18-200, I clearly wish I had a UWA such as the 10-22mm.

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For a crop camera, like the T3i, I don't think the 24-105 is the best fit. I think the 17-55 f/2.8 IS is the first lens I'd buy for a crop camera, and then build around that.
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You will love the 15-85. It's truly a great lens, as it's sharp throughout the frame through the entire zoom range. The EF 24-105 is also a good lens, but it's not designed for a crop sensor, so it has a non-ideal zoom range. If you're anything like me, you would end up switching between the 10-22 and the 24-105 way too often.

If you can afford it, the top dog of APS-C is the 17-55 f/2.8 IS, but the 15-85 is great too, with a much better zoom range.

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I just read as much as possible about these 2 lens and it seems to be a split decision for use with an APS-C camera. There does not seem to be a big difference in IQ even though it seems like the 24-105 might be a bit better. However, it seems that the advantage of 15-24 is GREATER than the advantage of 85-105. Correct me if I am wrong but going from 24 - 15 mm give 50% more viewing area whereas going from 85-105 is only slightly more magnified.

In a word, yes, but I think the usefulness of 15-24 vs 85-105 is more important than calculating a percentage. After all, if zoom ratio was everything you'd be sticking with your 18-200.

Now if I was not going to get a 10-22 then it seem like the 15-85 is the obvious choice.

This applies even with the 10-22. The problem is that 22/24 mm is a very commonly used focal length for general purpose shooting, and having an enforced lens swap just there can be very inconvenient.

I have the 10-22 and my standard zoom, bought a few years ago, starts at 18 mm - I wish it went a bit wider.

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DAVEBUCK wrote:

I just read as much as possible about these 2 lens and it seems to be a split decision for use with an APS-C camera. There does not seem to be a big difference in IQ even though it seems like the 24-105 might be a bit better. However, it seems that the advantage of 15-24 is GREATER than the advantage of 85-105. Correct me if I am wrong but going from 24 - 15 mm give 50% more viewing area whereas going from 85-105 is only slightly more magnified.

24/15 = 1.6x difference. 105/85 - 1.23x difference.

Now if I was not going to get a 10-22 then it seem like the 15-85 is the obvious choice.

but having recently traveled with the 18-200, I clearly wish I had a UWA such as the 10-22mm.

Yes, with an 17/or 18mm lens, having an 10-22 is an obvious addition.

with a 15-85, somewhat less so. 15mm (24mm equivalent) is already rather good for normal wide-angle, it's a pretty good focal length for landscape etc. If you go wider, background really gets small, and you need to pay attention to interesting foreground composition. Having said that, I like the 10-22 for tight spaces (interiors, cities), since you can't get some shots otherwise. at 10mm, the lens covers more than 90 degrees, so you can stand in a corner and get essentially the whole room.

With a 15-85, perhaps you could leave the 10-22 at home, depending on what you shoot. With a > 18mm, I would never leave the 10-22 at home.

Re the 24-105, it really depends on you shooting style. The 15-85, or 17-55, as others said, is really the normal range for crop.

But I have also been in shooting situations, where the 10-22 was mostly on the camera, and if I switched, I put on a 55-250 for details. Still, there situations when I needed to fill the center, so a 17/18-55 had to be used.

I guess what you should do is look at your images and think how often you would have had to switch if instead of the 18-200, you had a 10-22 and 24-105.
There are also tools to sample your focal length usage in your image library.

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For travel, I clearly need the wider angles. I have a Canon 18-200mm. I want better glass. Recently, I was in Morocco. I was very frustrated that I couldn't get the building, room or experience covered with the 18mm lens. That being said, I just looked at my last 3 trips. Although I do have some killer photos in the 100mm-200mm range, 80% were 18-55mm with 20% at 18mm. However with better glass, I guess I can clearly crop photos if I want to get a little closer to the subject

I am still not sure what I want to do. There are times I do not want to take 2 lens with me. I need to consider that as well.

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So, if I really want to work this through, While traveling, I would use a 10-22 about 20-25% of the time and over 100mm about 15%. With day to day stuff or for walking around 15-85mm might be more useful than 24-105mm. I think the 17-55mm is too expensive

Lets add cost and around a $1500 budget. What would be the best options now?? If I get a better mid range lens, perhaps I can be a little skimpier cost wise for the extremes and get the tamron 10-24mm or more likely the sigma 10-20mm

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So the choices could be sigma 10-20mm with Canon 15-85mm. Advantage is it saves money, 15-85 is great everyday lens and although it lacks the > 85mm it is about $350 less than the canon 10-22mm with the canon 24-105mm combination. It is more expensive, and I would definitely need to switch lens more often. The IQ is better but is it worth it?? I don't think I would get the 10-22mm and 15-85mm combination as the overlap is too great and I don't think it is worth the extra money for the canon since I would probably not be switching off enough to make it worth the extra money. If I get combination #1, I could have some money for a > 100mm lens???????

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In addition to focal length there are other considerations such as f/stop. Constant f/stop is a real advantage. I love my 24-105 which is my walk around lents; it has constant f/4 and IS.
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I had this same choice to make a few weeks ago. I already had the Tokina 12-24F4, and I decided that I'd rather have the long end on any new zoom than the wide focal lengths on the 15-85IS. If I didn't already have the Tokina 12-24F4, the 15-85IS would make more sense for travel photography with a single lens. Since I already had the 12-24, I thought that there would be more overlap than I needed, and my 12-24 would get less use.
The 15-85IS is reportedly a sharp lens, so that didn't enter into my decisions.

I prefer the constant aperture of F4 over a lens that goes to F5.6. The L is made very well, with no obvious vignetting. The 15-85 is smaller and lighter.

When I had to make the choice, there was a minimal extra cost of $50 for the Canon 24-105L, if you factor in the cost of a lens hood for the 15-85IS.

I am happy with the choice that I made. The L is very sharp wide open at the short end, and even pretty good at the long end. It may not be quite as sharp as some macro lenses, and isn't as sharp as the Tokina 35f2.8 macro for example. However, in many situations, I needed the range of 24-105L, and the long end can be very useful. The lens is sharp, useful, and is now sitting on my 60D. I also have a T2i with the Canon 35f2 on board.

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we travelled to Europe last October with a couple of stopovers in Casablanca and Tangier on our 42 day cruise.. used the 60d with the 18-200..after coming back home got the the 15-85 since I truly needed wider as we'll be going back on that same cruise this October... never regretted the decision on getting the 15-85.. pretty darn good walk-around lens that is just about always on my camera

bottomline.. depends what you want to shoot and use it for... I thought about the 10-22 but it seems that limited me on the high end too much
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I have both the 15-85 and the 24-85. Sharpness and IQ between the two is a toss up, with the 15-85 being a little better at the wide end, and the 14-105 being better at the long end.

However, since I tend to shoot long and think long and take pictures of "things" rather than 'everything', I find that I prefer using the 24-105L - since it is better long and gives me more long. I rarely miss wider than what it gives me. But I have the 15-85 for those situations where I know I am going to want to have some wide shots. Mostly, I prefer the 24-105L though... even though I may be in the minority and the 15-85 is a more general fit.

However, if you have the 10-22 in addtion to the 24-105L, well then you have all bases covered with more range.

So my advice is think about your shooting style. Do you like to zoom in on things, or do you like to zoom out and get everything... That makes your decision for you.

Best of luck

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I am getting rid of my EF-S 18-200mm lens and replacing it with a EF-S 10-22mm and as of now either the EF-S 15-85mm or the EF 24-105mm. Could anyone comment about these 2 lens?? Or if you have another option, please let me know. I think IQ is most important, then glass speed, IS and then Size. I do a lot of traveling but I also have children and attend sporting events. My budget is $900 so both lens are clearly within that range.

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For some reason, my keyboard woke up unable to type correctly today...

That should be 24-105L and 15-85 in all cases where it says something even close to that -- (or not even close)

Sorry -Dale

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I have both the 15-85 and the 24-85. Sharpness and IQ between the two is a toss up, with the 15-85 being a little better at the wide end, and the 14-105 being better at the long end.

However, since I tend to shoot long and think long and take pictures of "things" rather than 'everything', I find that I prefer using the 24-105L - since it is better long and gives me more long. I rarely miss wider than what it gives me. But I have the 15-85 for those situations where I know I am going to want to have some wide shots. Mostly, I prefer the 24-105L though... even though I may be in the minority and the 15-85 is a more general fit.

However, if you have the 10-22 in addtion to the 24-105L, well then you have all bases covered with more range.

So my advice is think about your shooting style. Do you like to zoom in on things, or do you like to zoom out and get everything... That makes your decision for you.

Best of luck

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I am getting rid of my EF-S 18-200mm lens and replacing it with a EF-S 10-22mm and as of now either the EF-S 15-85mm or the EF 24-105mm. Could anyone comment about these 2 lens?? Or if you have another option, please let me know. I think IQ is most important, then glass speed, IS and then Size. I do a lot of traveling but I also have children and attend sporting events. My budget is $900 so both lens are clearly within that range.

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Clearly, there is no UNANIMOUS opinion. It seems that there are pluses and minuses for both. The 24-105mm EF lens is BETTER than the 15-85mm EF-S. But on a crop camera, it seems that this is not really significant. It seems to be more of a personal preference decision rather than a lens issue! Most importantly, there does not seem to be a significant difference in IQ which is my #1 priority. The constant f/4 is an advantage but since I shoot on programmed settings, i am not going to lose sleep over that.

When EVERYTHING is considered, IMHO, the 15-85mm ($600) is the best "ONE" lens for a crop APS-C camera given my budget. I can probably use it over 70% of the time as a single lens. If I go the 24-105mm, I think I will be missing the 15-24mm range a lot more than the 85-105mm range. I can add the Sigma 10-20mm $400 if necessary and Tamron 70-300mm or 55-250mm for about $350. This is a total of $1350. i Think this will give me the MOST Bang for my bucks!! The Canon 10-22mm $650 plus the canon 24-105mm$800 is $1450.

Does that make sense??

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Another approach for getting more in the shot is to shoot several pics and then use a good "stitch" program to create a pano that can be horizontal, vertical or tiled. I find that extreme wide angles create significant distortion with buildings, and for some scenics, the "far away" effect gets everything in but it's off in the distance. A pano is a much better view for scenics for me. You're closer, but everything is still there. I rarely use my 10-22mm anymore and prefer the pano approach. My printer will print up to several feet in length.

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I use aperture3 for editing. I looked these up. HUGIN and PTGUI seem to begood options. This seems to be a reasonable simple way to get more out of a 15mm lens. I have never heard of these before. Can I combine 3 or 4 pictures and get a much more panoramic view? This sounds like a winner for an amateur like me.

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Yes, that makes sense... and as you say, that gives you the best bang for the buck. You can't really go wrong with either decision, and I suppose that is why I went with both of them. For me, some days one is better, some days the other is a better fit for what I want to do.

But I agree with you, the 15-85 is the best overall fit for more things, and it costs less. Build is not quite as good as the 24-105L, but it has better build that more Canon consumer market zooms. It is a very good lens.

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Clearly, there is no UNANIMOUS opinion. It seems that there are pluses and minuses for both. The 24-105mm EF lens is BETTER than the 15-85mm EF-S. But on a crop camera, it seems that this is not really significant. It seems to be more of a personal preference decision rather than a lens issue! Most importantly, there does not seem to be a significant difference in IQ which is my #1 priority. The constant f/4 is an advantage but since I shoot on programmed settings, i am not going to lose sleep over that.

When EVERYTHING is considered, IMHO, the 15-85mm ($600) is the best "ONE" lens for a crop APS-C camera given my budget. I can probably use it over 70% of the time as a single lens. If I go the 24-105mm, I think I will be missing the 15-24mm range a lot more than the 85-105mm range. I can add the Sigma 10-20mm $400 if necessary and Tamron 70-300mm or 55-250mm for about $350. This is a total of $1350. i Think this will give me the MOST Bang for my bucks!! The Canon 10-22mm $650 plus the canon 24-105mm$800 is $1450.

Does that make sense??

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I just returned from a trip to Banff Canada a few weeks ago and took mostly landscape pics. I have a T1i and a T2i and had a 18-55IS on one and a Tokina 12-24 on the other so I had a good range with the combo. I took far more with the 12-24 than the 18-55IS but the 18-55IS is a sharper lens and has less CA and weighs a lot less.

After a week of carrying two cameras around my neck and near 1000 pics I wished I had only one camera and one lens, that would probably be the 15-85 that you are considering. It is a good range and wide enough for most landscapes and long enough for most other vacation type pictures, although it is a little expensive for my budget.

I would own one for my next vacation and not carry as many other lenses ! I think your choice of the 15-85 would be a good one. Good luck with your purchase>

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Panoramics take a bit of learning, practice, and equipment to do well. It is nowhere near as convenient as using a wide angle lens. But it is a good technique to learn, never-the-less.
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