Panny 12-35 - worth it?

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sgoldswo
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Panny 12-35 - worth it?
Jul 3, 2012

A rhetorical question, because I'm keeping mine. It arrived yesterday and I only had a chance to put it on the E-M5 today. Its very sharp for a zoom. Fully extended (fnah) at 35mm it has fine quality bokeh, but (unsurprisingly) the bokeh gets a bit harsh at wider angles. My first impression is that I like it a lot. It isn't worth the £1000 I paid for it but I recall paying about £900 for a similar sony zeiss lens and thats about the price I would be prepared to pay for this. As it is I will keep it.

It does look a bit crazy on the silver E-M5 though - it's a bit, well, purple. Never mind, I suspect that since I generally look a mess everywhere I go, I wouldn't be the kind of person who worries about silver lenses on a black body (hence I can put up with a purple lens on a silver body). Not being critical about those that do worry about these things, I'm just glad that they have time to focus on things other than whether they've got out of the house with their belt, keys, wallet and phone. Sometimes I'm lucky and I take my E-M5... I digress.

Anyway, a quick photo of the E-M5 with the purple meanie mounted...

Anyway, I will post some photos from the E-M5 panny 12-35 combo on this thread when I get the chance. I will strive to ensure there is a theme and that I don't accidentally take a photo of someone's ID...

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 3, 2012

I think it looks quite nice on the silver em5...but I'm not really seeing the purple you mentioned.

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In reply to D4ne, Jul 3, 2012

The joy of the X-Pro1 in low light - you'll get detail but don't expect the WB to be correct (to be fair the M9 is much worse). It isn't awful, but it looks a bit... busy. I suspect it would look "extremely good" on a black body.

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I think it looks quite nice on the silver em5...but I'm not really seeing the purple you mentioned.

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Meh...I still think it looks fine...who says lenses have to be black or silver?

How's the weight of it on the em5?

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 3, 2012

I really would like to replace my 14-42 with faster glass and this would be perfect. Not to mention a likely step up on image quality.

That range is nearly perfect for the short landscape and I'm going to a telephoto for the rest.

It's a little bigger in size and price than is optimal for me but it still may call my name.
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In reply to D4ne, Jul 3, 2012

Good, solid. Weighty without being over heavy.

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Meh...I still think it looks fine...who says lenses have to be black or silver?

How's the weight of it on the em5?

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 3, 2012

Tedolph is just a jealous cheapskate.

I got mine today and although the rain has kept me from using it for proper pics, it seems excellent, sharp and contrasty. Smaller and lighter than I expected too.

12mm going on ebay soon!! 1 stop at the wide end with a camera which uses such an effective IBIS system, really doesn't make that much difference for low light work, considering the huge leap in flexibility and speed it offers.

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 3, 2012

CAn you take a photo with the lens hood, and when the lens is fully extended. Thanks.

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A rhetorical question, because I'm keeping mine. It arrived yesterday and I only had a chance to put it on the E-M5 today. Its very sharp for a zoom. Fully extended (fnah) at 35mm it has fine quality bokeh, but (unsurprisingly) the bokeh gets a bit harsh at wider angles. My first impression is that I like it a lot. It isn't worth the £1000 I paid for it but I recall paying about £900 for a similar sony zeiss lens and thats about the price I would be prepared to pay for this. As it is I will keep it.

It does look a bit crazy on the silver E-M5 though - it's a bit, well, purple. Never mind, I suspect that since I generally look a mess everywhere I go, I wouldn't be the kind of person who worries about silver lenses on a black body (hence I can put up with a purple lens on a silver body). Not being critical about those that do worry about these things, I'm just glad that they have time to focus on things other than whether they've got out of the house with their belt, keys, wallet and phone. Sometimes I'm lucky and I take my E-M5... I digress.

Anyway, a quick photo of the E-M5 with the purple meanie mounted...

Anyway, I will post some photos from the E-M5 panny 12-35 combo on this thread when I get the chance. I will strive to ensure there is a theme and that I don't accidentally take a photo of someone's ID...

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Here you go, it's massive. Well, not really.

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CAn you take a photo with the lens hood, and when the lens is fully extended. Thanks.

sgoldswo wrote:

A rhetorical question, because I'm keeping mine. It arrived yesterday and I only had a chance to put it on the E-M5 today. Its very sharp for a zoom. Fully extended (fnah) at 35mm it has fine quality bokeh, but (unsurprisingly) the bokeh gets a bit harsh at wider angles. My first impression is that I like it a lot. It isn't worth the £1000 I paid for it but I recall paying about £900 for a similar sony zeiss lens and thats about the price I would be prepared to pay for this. As it is I will keep it.

It does look a bit crazy on the silver E-M5 though - it's a bit, well, purple. Never mind, I suspect that since I generally look a mess everywhere I go, I wouldn't be the kind of person who worries about silver lenses on a black body (hence I can put up with a purple lens on a silver body). Not being critical about those that do worry about these things, I'm just glad that they have time to focus on things other than whether they've got out of the house with their belt, keys, wallet and phone. Sometimes I'm lucky and I take my E-M5... I digress.

Anyway, a quick photo of the E-M5 with the purple meanie mounted...

Anyway, I will post some photos from the E-M5 panny 12-35 combo on this thread when I get the chance. I will strive to ensure there is a theme and that I don't accidentally take a photo of someone's ID...

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 4, 2012

I can't say that the lens will exactly match a black body either.

It is not quite black and sometimes that is actually worse. Like the Oly 12, it is slightly champagne and the fact that it is close, but not quite right makes it worse on a silver body than a black lens - aesthetically speaking.

It is obviously up to the individual about how much that bothers them.

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 4, 2012

Doesn't need to be fixed aperture. Jus sharp and f2.8 to 3.5 or 4.

1300 is just a lot of cash for an f2.8 lens. It does look awesome but I actually agree with tedolf here. The primes are smaller and faster.

Zooming on a small micro body is awkward in some ways.

All that said ill happy to have one if panny wants me to try it out. Translation: too rich for me but would be a nice lens.

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 4, 2012

For me, yes it's worth it (although i only paid 700 pounds). it means that I can sell my Canon 40D + 17-55 f2.8. I primarily use it for taking pictures of the kids as they grow up. The time it takes to change a prime is too long when a child's expression changes moment by moment.

At the end of the day objects have no intrinsic value - this lens either meets a meaningful need for you at a price which you are prepared to pay or not. For me , it does.

Julian.

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I think it is ok if it is price below USD 800; since it is only a m43 f/2.8 lens

so my guess is the amount of glass required to make it would be similar to a FF f/5.6 lens

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The primes lack IS on a Panny body.

The primes lack weathersealing.

One of them at least is pretty poor (17 mm). Tedolph added it to help him make his point on price. Because 710+330+400 gives you 1440 dollar for the 12-20-45 mm combo.

The primes need to be changed and cost time no matter what you say, that is more of a hassle than zooming on a micro body (which is no hassle at all to me btw)

The primes have the worst IQ I know in anything but 12 and 45 mm (as there is no possibility of 14,15,20 etc mm).
The primes all together are expensive everstill and not much cheaper

Personally I am looking forward to this setup:

12-35, 35-100, 100-300. That would suffice for almost everything, I already have the Tokina Bokina for macro work. And not ten primes hanging around as good as they may be.

Finally: some of you guys take Tedolph too serous, he is constantly pulling your leg.

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In reply to warrj, Jul 4, 2012

Yes it's worth it, not at list price but that will change.

It's a great lens, sharp, fast and flexible.

Using my intelligence I've identified it has many advantages to a set of primes: 15mm, 21mm, 23.7mm, 32.82mm to name a few.

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It's not as useful as it could be, because it not as bright as it should be. At F/2.8 it's not bright enough for indoor shooting, neither DOF is shallow enough for good subject isolation. The other coming Panasonic 35-100/2.8 is more interesting, it's equivalent to FF 70-200/5.6, which isn't very bright either but at least can provide shallow DOF on the long end.

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In reply to sgoldswo, Jul 4, 2012

The Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8 is currently the best zoom MFT lens. It's not cheap, but the good quality lens like this is a good long-term investment, while the camera body is not.

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igorek7 wrote:

The Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8 is currently the best zoom MFT lens. It's not cheap, but the good quality lens like this is a good long-term investment, while the camera body is not.

I wouldn't be thinking in terms of investment, because it's a depreciating asset. Also I wouldn't plan anything about m4/3 long-term. Nobody knows where the wind will blow even few months from now. At this time one cannot predict which system is going to stay or go away and what future developement can make one lens system more desirable than the other.

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f2.8 = f2.8 when it comes to brightness. It is as bright as any other f2.8. DOF is another story. I agree the 35-100 seems more compelling. Would have loved it if they could make the 12-35 mm f2.0. But it would be big and heavy I guess..o....and expensive.

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forpetessake wrote:

igorek7 wrote:

The Panasonic 12-35 f/2.8 is currently the best zoom MFT lens. It's not cheap, but the good quality lens like this is a good long-term investment, while the camera body is not.

I wouldn't be thinking in terms of investment, because it's a depreciating asset.

A lens?

Also I wouldn't plan anything about m4/3 long-term. Nobody knows where the > wind will blow even few months from now. At this time one cannot predict > which system is going to stay or go away and what future developement can > make one lens system more desirable than the other.

if you buy a lens at this price it is almost inevitable you DO plan longterm. And if you do so, it is best to invest in a system that has the best perspective. Which system that is, no one knows for sure. The best predictor of the future is the past.

We see m43s continues to develop, has the best lens choice by far. The most diverse and number of camera bodies. From that perspective it seems to be the most solid choice when it comes to the future.

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