HS30 - First Bird Photos

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HS30 - First Bird Photos
Jun 18, 2012

Took these during a trip to Rocky Mountain National Park.

Hand held, SOOC, extremely windy conditions for the first one. I was amazed that the
little guy was able to hold on. He was pointed directly into the wind.

The next ones were taken where all the tourists were trying to feed the birds
and chipmunk. Kids were actually about 2 ft to the left. The wind was still very
gusty and the birds quite wary. Lucky again.

And lastly, a menacing looking plant.

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In reply to MtnCat, Jun 19, 2012

2nd one gives the impression of a bird that could eat Manhattan.

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In reply to MtnCat, Jun 19, 2012

Good set, especially #s 1 and 4. Good detail, too. Looks like the '30 is getting it done.

Still can't get over what a difference there is between the images displayed in a post vs. how they appear when you click "original."

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Took these during a trip to Rocky Mountain National Park.
Hand held, SOOC, extremely windy conditions for the first one.

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In reply to MtnCat, Jun 19, 2012

Nice set of images, veyr good sharpness. Exposures look good too, at least as far as highlights are concerned.

I would consider backing off the tone curves somewhat, as all your shadows are void of any details. Blocked, as it were.

My preference for the excellent 1/2" sensor is to shoot RAW, but if you are a JPEG shooter then consider setting tone to low and see if that allows the shadows to retain some detail.

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Tim39 wrote:
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Still can't get over what a difference there is between the images displayed in a post vs. how they appear when you click "original."

Indeed.

Sorry to say it, but the high-resolution IQ of this camera just seems very poor... even at ISO100 in good light and shot close up at 8mp. I know this won't matter to many users, but for the kind of shooting we do this wouldn't be acceptable.

Here the bird nearly fills the frame at 320mm (that's close!), focus is good and yet what little detail was captured is both smeared and noisy:

This shot was taken even closer at 160mm also at base ISO in good light. I don't know what happened here but the exif says:
No Blur Warning
Auto Focus Good
Auto Exposure Good

These may appear sharp enough at small sizes to be fine for blogs and facebook pics, but captured detail is minimal and poor. Cropping and/or large prints are obviously not an option. From what I've seen thus far, this camera simply does not compete in terms of resolution or overall image quality.

Apologies to the OP... My observations are not specific to the photos in this post, but pertain equally to every full-size HS30 image I've seen.

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Indeed.

Well, I tested the HS25, which does not even do RAW, and found it quite acceptable ...

I suspect that the HS30 is capable of much better sharpness than that in RAW. And note that your sharpest image was shot in very bright sunlight, which is necessary for any valid comparison of acuity on such tiny sensors. Some of my images are in shadow or dim light, though. Perhaps similar to your first image, although that looks like good light too.

So anyway, the HS series is perfectly capable of very fine imagery when handled correctly.

Sorry to say it, but the high-resolution IQ of this camera just seems very poor... even at ISO100 in good light and shot close up at 8mp. I know this won't matter to many users, but for the kind of shooting we do this wouldn't be acceptable.

Here the bird nearly fills the frame at 320mm (that's close!), focus is good and yet what little detail was captured is both smeared and noisy:

This shot was taken even closer at 160mm also at base ISO in good light. I don't know what happened here but the exif says:
No Blur Warning
Auto Focus Good
Auto Exposure Good

These may appear sharp enough at small sizes to be fine for blogs and facebook pics, but captured detail is minimal and poor. Cropping and/or large prints are obviously not an option. From what I've seen thus far, this camera simply does not compete in terms of resolution or overall image quality.

Apologies to the OP... My observations are not specific to the photos in this post, but pertain equally to every full-size HS30 image I've seen.

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Can you provide the whole SX30 shot ?
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Can you provide the whole SX30 shot ?

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Bunch of excuses for Fuji here ...
In reply to kenn threed, Jun 19, 2012

1, Fuji HS-series JPEG is a bit strange. The NR & sharpening should have been set to "low". I cannot find in EXIF if this was done in this photoset.

2,

This shot was taken even closer at 160mm also at base ISO in good light. I don't know what happened here

Head is slightly out of focus

3, Many things depend on the lightning - angle, time of the day, etc. Even the gray color does not help here

4, These are the best SX30 shots I've seen. The majority are much more similar to the typical output of the HS30.

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kenn threed wrote:

Tim39 wrote:
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Still can't get over what a difference there is between the images displayed in a post vs. how they appear when you click "original."

Indeed.

Sorry to say it, but the high-resolution IQ of this camera just seems very poor... even at ISO100 in good light and shot close up at 8mp. I know this won't matter to many users, but for the kind of shooting we do this wouldn't be acceptable.

Here the bird nearly fills the frame at 320mm (that's close!), focus is good and yet what little detail was captured is both smeared and noisy:
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/photos/i-n4sjfvw/0/X3/i-n4sjfvw-X3.jpg

This shot was taken even closer at 160mm also at base ISO in good light. I don't know what happened here but the exif says:
No Blur Warning
Auto Focus Good
Auto Exposure Good
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/photos/i-nPJ3fzs/0/X3/i-nPJ3fzs-X3.jpg

These may appear sharp enough at small sizes to be fine for blogs and facebook pics, but captured detail is minimal and poor. Cropping and/or large prints are obviously not an option. From what I've seen thus far, this camera simply does not compete in terms of resolution or overall image quality.

Apologies to the OP... My observations are not specific to the photos in this post, but pertain equally to every full-size HS30 image I've seen.

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Something is wrong with those shots Kenn. You know that HS30 can deliver better results than those. Well SX40 most of time is a hit and miss camera too, even in good light...

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jcmarfilph wrote:

kenn threed wrote:

Tim39 wrote:
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Still can't get over what a difference there is between the images displayed in a post vs. how they appear when you click "original."

Indeed.

Sorry to say it, but the high-resolution IQ of this camera just seems very poor... even at ISO100 in good light and shot close up at 8mp. I know this won't matter to many users, but for the kind of shooting we do this wouldn't be acceptable.

Here the bird nearly fills the frame at 320mm (that's close!), focus is good and yet what little detail was captured is both smeared and noisy:
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/photos/i-n4sjfvw/0/X3/i-n4sjfvw-X3.jpg

This shot was taken even closer at 160mm also at base ISO in good light. I don't know what happened here but the exif says:
No Blur Warning
Auto Focus Good
Auto Exposure Good
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/photos/i-nPJ3fzs/0/X3/i-nPJ3fzs-X3.jpg

These may appear sharp enough at small sizes to be fine for blogs and facebook pics, but captured detail is minimal and poor. Cropping and/or large prints are obviously not an option. From what I've seen thus far, this camera simply does not compete in terms of resolution or overall image quality.

Apologies to the OP... My observations are not specific to the photos in this post, but pertain equally to every full-size HS30 image I've seen.

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Something is wrong with those shots Kenn. You know that HS30 can deliver better results than those. Well SX40 most of time is a hit and miss camera too, even in good light...

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/7249/img0740fw.jpg

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/283/sx40025b.jpg

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Kenn,

I have been wanting to get a shot like this one from HS30 so I can show you that HS30 can deliver similar results to your SX40 but as I have said, I don't have the acclimated wildlife and perfect environment like what you have so...

Credit goes to this person:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ron-alenka/7062675735/in/set-72157629235421466

The smaller the bird, the bigger it is on the frame, the better detail you will get.
That's JPEG so for sure, you can get more detail in RAW.

SX40 is primitively sluggish camera, HS30 is a fast camera. HS30 is far better in handling and ergo. They both have similar IQ.

What can you say now? Are you still gonna wait for me to post all those pixel-peepable shots you've always wanted? I am sure you will coz you have tons of patience using the sluggish SX40 camera.

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and the HS30 can do far better than that too ...
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Totally blown highlights ruin that shot ...
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Yep but the detail is there. I am sure Kenn would be delighted to compare it with one of his lovable friends.

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Kim,

Thanks for your nice comments. Gives me a chance to thank you for the information you have provided about shooting with EXR devices. I also followed your posts about the HS 25, too. I was trying to follow your guidelines for the EXR's, but I have strayed here and there....I will see what I can do about the jpg settings you have suggested. I have these in RAW format also, but have not put in the necessary time there yet. I'm right at 7 weeks into this and obviously have a lot to learn. Once again, I really appreciate your comments and suggestions.

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Hi Kim,

These do look pretty good at .4mp, and the ISO1600 one is especially good at this size. Such results surely will be acceptable to lots of users... which was precisely my point. MtnCat's shots look ok at this size also.

My disappointment is that a 16mp camera must be shot at 8mp for best results, and then re-sized to less than 1mp to produce acceptable finished images, even from closeup captures at base ISO in good light.

I presume you shot yours in 8mp mode, yes? Would you be willing to show a few of them at 8mp? I'd love to see some well-taken shots at full-size both before and after processing. As you may know I am an advocate for minimizing in-camera jpeg processing and developing images individually in post, especially with cameras that don't save RAW natively. But I honestly don't think I could work with the original captures I'm seeing from this camera, and I'd be very interested to see your originals as well as your approach to processing them.

I'm sure you've examined the full-size output of this sensor plenty, both in your own testing and in viewing the original images posted by others... Did you find its high-resolution quality acceptable in any mode?

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Rachotilko wrote:

1, Fuji HS-series JPEG is a bit strange. The NR & sharpening should have been set to "low". I cannot find in EXIF if this was done in this photoset.

2,

This shot was taken even closer at 160mm also at base ISO in good light. I don't know what happened here

Head is slightly out of focus

3, Many things depend on the lightning - angle, time of the day, etc. Even the gray color does not help here

4, These are the best SX30 shots I've seen. The majority are much more similar to the typical output of the HS30.

Hi Rachotilko

The original files are not available, but the insets in my post above show the full-frame FOV of these shots as taken. They were comparable to the MtnCat images in every way I think. You can see the full-size versions of the finished images here:

http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/Nature/Birds-Blossoms/20837322_XZmLk4# !i=1752820398&k=BNxdBwT&lb=1&s=O

and here:

http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/Nature/Birds-Blossoms/20837322_XZmLk4# !i=1708549134&k=q3NhNrR&lb=1&s=O

And over 400 other SX30 images here:
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/Nature/SX30/15050225_5zHnHv# !i=1825338333&k=TjXqmgB

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Oh, that goose shot: be still my heart!

Awesome!

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Given the choice of an SX30 or a drugstore disposable camera, I'd take the latter.

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Can you provide the whole SX30 shot ?

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Nice images with the SX30, though personally I'd prefer to have a colonoscopy than have one of those for general use.

kenn threed wrote:

Rachotilko wrote:

1, Fuji HS-series JPEG is a bit strange. The NR & sharpening should have been set to "low". I cannot find in EXIF if this was done in this photoset.

2,

This shot was taken even closer at 160mm also at base ISO in good light. I don't know what happened here

Head is slightly out of focus

3, Many things depend on the lightning - angle, time of the day, etc. Even the gray color does not help here

4, These are the best SX30 shots I've seen. The majority are much more similar to the typical output of the HS30.

Hi Rachotilko

The original files are not available, but the insets in my post above show the full-frame FOV of these shots as taken. They were comparable to the MtnCat images in every way I think. You can see the full-size versions of the finished images here:

http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/Nature/Birds-Blossoms/20837322_XZmLk4# !i=1752820398&k=BNxdBwT&lb=1&s=O

and here:

http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/Nature/Birds-Blossoms/20837322_XZmLk4# !i=1708549134&k=q3NhNrR&lb=1&s=O

And over 400 other SX30 images here:
http://kenn3d.smugmug.com/Nature/SX30/15050225_5zHnHv# !i=1825338333&k=TjXqmgB

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jcmarfilph wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Totally blown highlights ruin that shot ...

Yep but the detail is there. I am sure Kenn would be delighted to compare it with one of his lovable friends.

Kenn has many lovable friends here but as is quite apparent, you ain't one of 'em, toy boy.

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Billx08 wrote:

jcmarfilph wrote:

Kim Letkeman wrote:

Totally blown highlights ruin that shot ...

Yep but the detail is there. I am sure Kenn would be delighted to compare it with one of his lovable friends.

Kenn has many lovable friends here but as is quite apparent, you ain't one of 'em, toy boy.

Ouch that hurts... I won't post here anymore, Oldie!

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