Pros and cons of Tokina 12-24/4 lens?

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BobT
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Pros and cons of Tokina 12-24/4 lens?
Jun 17, 2012

Recently offered this lens as part of a lens trade. But I don't know much about it.

Does anyone know just how reputable this lens is as a UWA lens? Pros and cons, based on your knowledge and/or expereince of this lens, please. I shoot with a T1i.

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In reply to BobT, Jun 18, 2012

The Tokina 12-24mm f4 has a design fault which will brick it eventually (the aperture will start to have problems) and Tokina does not cover repair under any kind of extended warranty (Tokina does not even acknowledge the problem). So, while optically it is quite a nice lens, do not get any used Tokina 12-24mm f4. it will fail.

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In reply to brightcolours, Jun 18, 2012

Is this truly common knowledge? Why I have not heard of this before? Is it particular to this lens only, or all Tokina lenses?

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In reply to BobT, Jun 18, 2012

I had this lens until recently. It is actually a very nice lens. My reasons for parting with it had nothing to do with the lens. I have a 15-85mm also and I decided it would be better to have something else that goes wider than 12mm. In terms of build quality the 12-24mm is built like a brick. Canon and Nikon could learn a thing or two about build quality from Tokina. AF was fast enough. Not as fast or silent as a Canon USM but not bad either. AF accuracy with my 60D was a bit hit and miss at times. However, on my 7D I really never had any issues. Sharpness and contrast were good.

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In reply to BobT, Jun 18, 2012

BobT wrote:

Is this truly common knowledge?

No, it is not common knowledge. Does not make it less of a problem. That is why I inform you.

Why I have not heard of this before?

I do not know why you have not heard of this before. I probably would not have heard of is before either if I did not have a Tokina 12-24mm f4 which has developed this problem and started to search info about in on internet.

Is it particular to this lens only, or all Tokina lenses?

As far as I know it is a problem of this particular lens.

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Thanks, brightcolors.

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Tokina 12-24mm f4 design fault
In reply to BobT, Jun 18, 2012

My Tokina first started to give lens errors when trying to stop down between 12-15mm (the first symptom). After a while it got its aperture stuck closed at around f10 (estimate/guess) while it thinks it is open. It will actually close more when you select more than f4.

I found out this was not an isolated problem, but a symptomatic problem for a design fault of this lens, and that Tokina plays oblivious about it and only fixes it when you pay for the "repair" yourself.

http://www.dforum.net/archive/index.php/t-556763.html
http://www.fotocommunity.de/forum/read.php?f=1&i=569839&t=569839
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=22880319
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/812838
http://dutchphotozone.com/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=64398
http://forum.belgiumdigital.com/f35/tokina-12-24-met-electr-probleem-309441.html

http://forum.photozone.de/index.php?/topic/1156-designproduction-error-tokina-at-x-pro-12-24mm-f4-dx/page__view__findpost__p__9983

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In reply to BobT, Jun 18, 2012

I tried the Tokina & sent it back right away & got the Sigma 12-24mm II? Tokina was not as sharp as the Sigm. The lens is sharp & accurate I also have the 7D & think it would be a perfect lens on that body with a similar censor to you T4i.

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Oooops, I meant T1i

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In reply to brightcolours, Jun 18, 2012

This is interesting. Have you heard about simular problems with thier 11-16/2.8's?

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In reply to jitteringjr, Jun 18, 2012

No, I have no heard anything similar about other Tokina lenses.

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In reply to BobT, Jun 18, 2012

There are two versions of this lens the first when shot into pin point light sources show up with a rainbow bloom around the light sources. This was to be corrected in the series II lens, I don't know how successful they were in the correction. So if you shoot allot of subjects with pin point light lean towards the series II.

As far as sharpness, color transmission, contrast and clarity the lens is great...! I don't know if the flaw mentioned in earlier post was fixed in the series II lens..? The poster did not mention what series they had..? For me I have the series I, I got it when the lens came out and have had years of wonderful use with it. When the series II came out for my type of shooting (scenics) that rarely dealt with pinpoint light. It wasn't worth the upgrade to the series II.

As for the Sigma mentioned earlier I had a friend that bought one so I borrowed it for a day and used it well. I noticed no improvement in sharpness just I was able to go wider. And yes it is built like a tank..!

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My Tokina 12-24mm aperture has gone as well !!!
In reply to brightcolours, Jun 22, 2012

Brightcolours thanks for posting that...

I assumed mine was a one off problem. Its actually been a great lens and I have enjoyed using it for a couple of years. However now the lens has this aperture problem - its restricted to F4 or the next darker half stop (f/4.5?). If you try stopping down beyond this my 350D or 40D displays an error and has to be turned on and off.

Its sharp at f/4 so I suppose I could try just using it at that setting but I am pretty hacked off. I got mine second hand - precisely what you advised against ...

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In reply to foggy, Jun 23, 2012

I have the newer version of the Tokina 12-24F4. I find AF is accurate and certainly fast enough. It is not used a great deal, so I can't tell if a problem with the aperture blades will develop. I did have to replace the diaphragm of my Canon 35f2 recently, after almost 3 years of frequent use.

The Tokina is very sharp with good contrast. The only flaw that I see is some color fringing if you have high contrast contours in the edges of the frame, e.g. tree limbs against the sky. Distortion seems pretty low for a wide lens. I am happy with mine. I got if for travel, not daily use.

I have read the reports of problems with the lens, but I don't know if they are limited to the early models or not.

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In reply to BobT, Jun 23, 2012

Had it for four years on different Nikon-bodies (changed to 5DII last month).Cannot say anything negative about the lens, it's built like a tank, never failed and I used it very often for landscape.

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In reply to arty H, Jun 25, 2012

ironically andy I have the EF 35mm f/2 as well and its never failed me (bought new in 2005). Maybe its just the luck of the draw !!!

Agree on the fringing by the way but it had to be alot of contrast to see the problem and I could normally remove the purple in that area so it wasnt a problem for me..

Great lens - shame mine broke...

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