Do D800 users regret not getting the D800E?

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nikhgan
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Do D800 users regret not getting the D800E?
Jun 15, 2012

Just wondering, for those of who got the D800s, do you guys regret you didn't get the E version?

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I shoot mostly people/portraits/weddings and use a lot of skin smoothing plugins, so the extra sharpness/resolution of E would be more of a hassle than an advantage.
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VadimOm wrote:

I shoot mostly people/portraits/weddings and use a lot of skin smoothing plugins, so the extra sharpness/resolution of E would be more of a hassle than an advantage.
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If that's the case, what went into your decision to get the D800 to begin with? Why is the extra sharpness/resolution of the D800 over other cameras not more of a hassle than an advantage?

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In reply to LandoftheCleves, Jun 15, 2012

Dual card slot was the main reason for my upgrade. I would have preferred lower resolution camera (12 or 16mp) but D4 is too expensive and D3s is too big (and still more expensive than D800). Plus both my D700 are nearing their shutter life limits (120k and 150k clicks on them), with grips falling off and flash hot shoes completely messed up (wobbling and causing constant flash misfires).

Excited to use video capabilities for some personal projects.

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VadimOm wrote:

I shoot mostly people/portraits/weddings and use a lot of skin smoothing plugins, so the extra sharpness/resolution of E would be more of a hassle than an advantage.
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If that's the case, what went into your decision to get the D800 to begin with? Why is the extra sharpness/resolution of the D800 over other cameras not more of a hassle than an advantage?

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i had D800, returned it for D800E two weeks ago, still waiting, after seeing the details from D800, i want it more. it's an addiction.

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Nope, not one bit.

I took a few shots of our new Schnauzer puppy last night with my new 85mm f/1.8 and his coat was so freeking sharp in the photo you'd think you would cut your finger on it. Naaa, I don't need the E, plus I shoot operas at times so I don't want to take the chance with the costumes.

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VadimOm wrote:

Plus both my D700 are nearing their shutter life limits (120k and 150k clicks on them), with grips falling off and flash hot shoes completely messed up (wobbling and causing constant flash misfires).

I suppose that would indeed call for a replacement or two!

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In reply to nikhgan, Jun 15, 2012

Yes and no. The perfectionist in me wants, the realist in me says it doesn't really matter, it's the photograph content that counts after all.

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I've shot, I've peeped and cried
I've had moiré fill, my share of aliasing
And now, as sharpness subside, I find it all so amusing
To think I did all that
And may I say, not in a shy way,
"Oh, no, oh, no, not me, I did it my way"

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Tim S wrote:

Yes and no. The perfectionist in me wants, the realist in me says it doesn't really matter, it's the photograph content that counts after all.

Tim

Wow, nice capture. What lens did you use and the name of that bird.
Thanks

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I have ordered the D800E, just to have "the option" over my D800.

But honestly, it seems that in order to notice much of a benefit over the D800, the camera should be on a tripod to eliminate any camera shake, probably with mirror up mode, etc. and with an aperture right in the sweet spot... somewhere between f/2.8 and f/5.6 depending on the lens.

So for landscape photographers that opt for the E, and who often shoot at f/11 or f/16... what are they gaining over the D800? At that point, don't they equal out?

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In reply to f56andbethere, Jun 15, 2012

You don't always have to shoot smaller than f/8.

Whatever the D800 is, the D800E is a wee bit more so. Worried about moire? Close down and let diffraction be your friend.

What I haven't seen (maybe I'm not looking hard enough) is examples where the E image was moire-ified while the D800 image was smooth.

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So for landscape photographers that opt for the E, and who often shoot at f/11 or f/16... what are they gaining over the D800? At that point, don't they equal out?

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True, but...

It seems that much above f/8, the diffraction affects the E more than the D800, and thus, it seems to kill some of the extra detail resolved by the E. DPreview's review showed this pretty well.

At, say, f/4.5 the E resolves slightly more detail than the 800. But then at, say, f/11... both cameras appear nearly identical straight out of camera because of the diffraction limiting the E at that point.

Am I misinterpreting that?

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You don't always have to shoot smaller than f/8.

Whatever the D800 is, the D800E is a wee bit more so. Worried about moire? Close down and let diffraction be your friend.

What I haven't seen (maybe I'm not looking hard enough) is examples where the E image was moire-ified while the D800 image was smooth.

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So for landscape photographers that opt for the E, and who often shoot at f/11 or f/16... what are they gaining over the D800? At that point, don't they equal out?

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It's funny how prior to the shipping of these cameras, many hypothesized that the D800E would be better suited to landscape photographers. Now we find out, through actual photographic tests, that the D800E has no advantage over the D800 for landscape photographers at the apertures most photographers use.

Let's put it this way... if you are hanging your photos in a gallery, or even selling fine art prints online, the person viewing your work will never be able to tell the difference between a D800 and D800E image. Actually let me amend that. The D800E image could easily be spotted if it captured moire where the D800 did not. Otherwise it's pretty much a wash in my book.

The way I look at it, D800E images require little or no sharpening at full resolution to get the most out of the image. The D800 still requires sharpening, but doing so will also give you results indistinguishable from the D800E along with a lower likelihood of moire. If you hit moire, even if rare, your image may not be sellable. To avoid moire you would either have to check out each shot at 100% size in the field, or take different versions of each shot using slightly different apertures or positions.

I think we are really splitting hairs here.

f56andbethere wrote:

I have ordered the D800E, just to have "the option" over my D800.

But honestly, it seems that in order to notice much of a benefit over the D800, the camera should be on a tripod to eliminate any camera shake, probably with mirror up mode, etc. and with an aperture right in the sweet spot... somewhere between f/2.8 and f/5.6 depending on the lens.

So for landscape photographers that opt for the E, and who often shoot at f/11 or f/16... what are they gaining over the D800? At that point, don't they equal out?

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got one of each
the D800E married with the 85 1.4G
the D800 to the 28-300 for everyday jobs

nikhgan wrote:

Just wondering, for those of who got the D800s, do you guys regret you didn't get the E version?

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In reply to nikhgan, Jun 15, 2012

Ordered myself both and now have both on my shelf. Tests with 1.4/24 and 1.4/85 did not show much of a difference wide open.

But stopped down, or with the 4.0/300 at any aperture, the D800 just won me all over. On pixel level only, for sure, but with higher ISO or bright light even handheld (3 times focal length for my shaky hands, same as D700 for me) shows the difference.

Ebaying the D800, keeping the D800E.

Price difference is a pain, but over the next 3 years I won't remember much I hope. And the feeling (and having a D800 is for feeling at least half of the want) spending so much and not having exactly what I wanted is worth the money.

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In reply to Tim S, Jun 15, 2012

D800 is a great camera and you got a fine picture there but at that size it does not prove anything. Any dslr on the market from any companies will be able to produce that.

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The only thing I regret is having a D800 that didn't focus correctly and having to send it to Nikon not once, but twice to get it fixed. Still waiting for the 2nd repair to get returned to me.

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