New paanasonic 12-35mm f2.8 and 35-100mm f2.8 lenses

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Krishna Das
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New paanasonic 12-35mm f2.8 and 35-100mm f2.8 lenses
Jun 9, 2012

How good are these lenses? Seems that Panasonic is trying to copy the best selling zoom ranges for full-frame Canon and Nikon lenses. I hope they try to emulate their quality also... These lenses from Canon and Nikon are of excellent quality but very expensive. Perhaps Panasonic is going to take their fight to the big boys. Hope so...

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I expect them both to be high grade. /nt
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12-35mm for MFT is equivalent to 24-70mm FF
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35-100mm is equivalent to 70-200mm...

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Krishna Das wrote:

12-35mm for MFT is equivalent to 24-70mm FF
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35-100mm is equivalent to 70-200mm...

Here you go... knock yourself out :

Sensor Equivalence: Size Does Matter. Or Does It?

Read more: http://the.me/...ensor-equivalence-size-does-matter-or-does-it/#ixzz1xDNXR9Uw

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I think they'll be fairly good quality and as long as they're better than th 12-50 and the 40-150, then I'll be very happy.

We'll have to wait and see.

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Krishna Das wrote:

How good are these lenses? Seems that Panasonic is trying to copy the best selling zoom ranges for full-frame Canon and Nikon lenses. I hope they try to emulate their quality also... These lenses from Canon and Nikon are of excellent quality but very expensive. Perhaps Panasonic is going to take their fight to the big boys. Hope so...

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I would think any company that puts out a lens is staking their reputation. The lens at $1300 should be stelar and matched to the system.

If Panasonic flops it will be very bad because all you have to hear is that Panasonic or Olympus, Nikon or Canon or that matter put out a lens that is bad.

I would highly advise either waiting for editor reviews or someone here willing to take a chance and well return the lens if need be if it does not seem performance and price make sense.

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How good are these lenses? Seems that Panasonic is trying to copy the best selling zoom ranges for full-frame Canon and Nikon lenses. I hope they try to emulate their quality also... These lenses from Canon and Nikon are of excellent quality but very expensive. Perhaps Panasonic is going to take their fight to the big boys. Hope so...

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Krishna Das wrote:

How good are these lenses? Seems that Panasonic is trying to copy the best selling zoom ranges for full-frame Canon and Nikon lenses. I hope they try to emulate their quality also... These lenses from Canon and Nikon are of excellent quality but very expensive. Perhaps Panasonic is going to take their fight to the big boys. Hope so...

They are not copying, they are just expanding the lenses line, and they seem to have very good quality from the reviews of the 12-35mm, I think this besides expanding the lenses line up, has to do also with Panasonic Lumix partnership with National Geographic, they want that pro photographers like some of landscapes and wildlife look at those lenses and Micro 4/3 system as a good choice, and a smaller one

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Brian Mosley wrote:

Krishna Das wrote:

12-35mm for MFT is equivalent to 24-70mm FF
And
35-100mm is equivalent to 70-200mm...

Here you go... knock yourself out :

Sensor Equivalence: Size Does Matter. Or Does It?

Read more: http://the.me/...ensor-equivalence-size-does-matter-or-does-it/#ixzz1xDNXR9Uw

That gave me Page Not Found. However when composing a Photograph the Field of View is perhaps the most important thing, so I have no issue with people making lenses with similar fields of view to established ones. Also I'm cool with using 35mm equivalence numbers to give an idea of the field of view, as with the endless sensor formats out there it gets impossible fast.

For example I have a friend who won't buy a compact camera unless it gets to 24mm equiv at the wide end. That's a whole lot simpler than getting his calculator out to work out angles of view for every sensor size. Plus people do usually get that smaller sensors will have more DoF and more noise at common EVs. (Although these days it seems that the endless push for faster processors to smudge away the noise is the bigger problem, especially if a raw format isn't available. Don't get me started on cameras that do noise reduction on raw...)

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AFAIK there have so far been no independent reviews of the 35-100. But there have been several of the 12-35 (try searching in this thread for links). All say performance is very high indeed, that maximum aperture is very good, with peak performance being reached only 1-2 stops down and staying pretty consistent until diffusion cuts in at (from memory) f/11 onward.

It's my guess that the 35-100 will be slightly better even than the 12-35, on the basis that short to medium tele zooms generally outperform wide angle to short tele ones from the same maker and in the same series. Also it is rumoured that the 35-100 will be around 50% more expensive, so I would expect its performance to be even better than the cheaper optic's.

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I just wish the 35-100 would come out in time for the Olympics, would be ideal to take to the Athletics. (The "alleged" rules on what you can carry in photographic-wise would be a bit borderline with a Canon 70-200 f2.8 on a FF camera, plus I'd rather not lug the weight around all day. Also you don't get back anything they confiscate!)
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Brian Mosley wrote:

Krishna Das wrote:

12-35mm for MFT is equivalent to 24-70mm FF
And
35-100mm is equivalent to 70-200mm...

Here you go... knock yourself out :

Sensor Equivalence: Size Does Matter. Or Does It?

Read more: http://the.me/...ensor-equivalence-size-does-matter-or-does-it/#ixzz1xDNXR9Uw

There was nothing wrong with his statement. Are you trying to stir up controversy? Or what?
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Krishna Das wrote:

How good are these lenses? Seems that Panasonic is trying to copy the best selling zoom ranges for full-frame Canon and Nikon lenses. I hope they try to emulate their quality also... These lenses from Canon and Nikon are of excellent quality but very expensive. Perhaps Panasonic is going to take their fight to the big boys. Hope so...

I don't think that it is a case of 'taking the fight to the big boys'. There is nothing comparable to these two lenses in the ranges of 'the big boys'. The closest ones would be the Canon 24-104/4 and 40-200/4 and the Nikon 24-120/4 but those are really serving something different. Hopefully, by not vainly trying to match the operational characteristics of the big tope end zooms on the Nikon and Canon systems, but specifying and designing with and emphasis on compactness and quality, Panasonic will exploit markets those two cannot address.
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Based on Panasonic's current line of premium lenses, I'd expect both the fast zooms to be great. I would pre-order the 35-100 once it's out for pre-order, but from a store that allows returns. The wait time will be long for this I believe. To be fair, I don't expect the performance to be as good (accurate fast AF and IQ) as the Canon 70-200 f2.8 L Mk II, so long as it's reasonably close enough, I'll be happy to carry something so much smaller and lighter and weather-sealed.

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AFAIK there have so far been no independent reviews of the 35-100. But there have been several of the 12-35 (try searching in this thread for links). All say performance is very high indeed, that maximum aperture is very good, with peak performance being reached only 1-2 stops down and staying pretty consistent until diffusion cuts in at (from memory) f/11 onward.

It's my guess that the 35-100 will be slightly better even than the 12-35, on the basis that short to medium tele zooms generally outperform wide angle to short tele ones from the same maker and in the same series. Also it is rumoured that the 35-100 will be around 50% more expensive, so I would expect its performance to be even better than the cheaper optic's.

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What?

Apart from the Sony and Pentax offering oem lens for 16-50, only Tokina have available 2.8 options for Can-ikon. Canon do have the nifty 15-85 though, but its certainly not f2.8 constant, so they start out at about the same c/w FF, but as soon as you zoom in on the Canon, hmm. Its definitely a fab range, the 12mm being better than 22mm on the GH2 in 16:9, possibly the widest zoom out there with a tele capability, nice, want. I hope that street price matches the pre-order deal price of last week, damm.

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Krishna Das wrote:

How good are these lenses? Seems that Panasonic is trying to copy the best selling zoom ranges for full-frame Canon and Nikon lenses. I hope they try to emulate their quality also... These lenses from Canon and Nikon are of excellent quality but very expensive. Perhaps Panasonic is going to take their fight to the big boys. Hope so...

I don't think that it is a case of 'taking the fight to the big boys'. There is nothing comparable to these two lenses in the ranges of 'the big boys'. The closest ones would be the Canon 24-104/4 and 40-200/4 and the Nikon 24-120/4 but those are really serving something different. Hopefully, by not vainly trying to match the operational characteristics of the big tope end zooms on the Nikon and Canon systems, but specifying and designing with and emphasis on compactness and quality, Panasonic will exploit markets those two cannot address.
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?? Canon 17-55 f2.8 is an excellent lens. Not really sure I follow anyway, these are just a pair of lenses with the same FoV and exposure as the Canon/Nikon Pro staples 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200 f2.8. They won't give the DoF or noise (or resolution) of those lenses on FF bodies, but then again they are much (much) smaller, which is the m43 selling point over FF.

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Sorry Bob...
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bobn2 wrote:

Brian Mosley wrote:

Krishna Das wrote:

12-35mm for MFT is equivalent to 24-70mm FF
And
35-100mm is equivalent to 70-200mm...

Here you go... knock yourself out :

Sensor Equivalence: Size Does Matter. Or Does It?

Read more: http://the.me/...ensor-equivalence-size-does-matter-or-does-it/#ixzz1xDNXR9Uw

There was nothing wrong with his statement. Are you trying to stir up controversy? Or what?

Glad you feel that way Bob, and no... just trying to add simple qualification to the equivalent statement without stirring up controversy.

Sorry the link was broken - here's the correct one :

Sensor Equivalence: Size Does Matter. Or Does It?

Read more: http://the.me/sensor-equivalence-size-does-matter-or-does-it/#ixzz1xJisObZx

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A couple of minutes later I posted three broken links in another thread, so no problem with that (plus I was commenting not complaining)...

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bobn2 wrote:

I don't think that it is a case of 'taking the fight to the big boys'. There is nothing comparable to these two lenses in the ranges of 'the big boys'. The closest ones would be the Canon 24-104/4 and 40-200/4 and the Nikon 24-120/4 but those are really serving something different. Hopefully, by not vainly trying to match the operational characteristics of the big tope end zooms on the Nikon and Canon systems, but specifying and designing with and emphasis on compactness and quality, Panasonic will exploit markets those two cannot address.
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Both Nikon and Canon have each a 24-70mm f2.8 - I know, I've owned the Canon and now still own the Nikon.
Same with the 70-100mm F2.8...
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Completely agree John, thanks & see corrected link to Bob. /nt
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Brian Mosley wrote:

bobn2 wrote:

Brian Mosley wrote:

Krishna Das wrote:

12-35mm for MFT is equivalent to 24-70mm FF
And
35-100mm is equivalent to 70-200mm...

Here you go... knock yourself out :

Sensor Equivalence: Size Does Matter. Or Does It?

Read more: http://the.me/...ensor-equivalence-size-does-matter-or-does-it/#ixzz1xDNXR9Uw

There was nothing wrong with his statement. Are you trying to stir up controversy? Or what?

Glad you feel that way Bob, and no... just trying to add simple qualification to the equivalent statement without stirring up controversy.

Why did it need the qualification. There is no controversy, it seems, that 12-35 on FT is equivalent to 24-70 on FF or that 35-100 is equivalent to 70-200, so far as AOV is concerned. It's so uncontroversial that the manufacturers mark it on the lenses.

Sorry the link was broken - here's the correct one :

Sensor Equivalence: Size Does Matter. Or Does It?

Read more: http://the.me/sensor-equivalence-size-does-matter-or-does-it/#ixzz1xJisObZx

Thank you for that. I must admit, a failed to grasp what was the point of the piece, or what bearing it has on the point you were making above, except to say that you seem to concur with Joe James' definition of 'equivalent' photos.
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